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==Community Review==
 
==Community Review==
  
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=== 2007/01/08 ===
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=== 2007/01/10 ===
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As noted below ( http://www.aboutus.org/Help.com#2008.2F01.2F02 ), the discussion in mid-December (which had been closed by the site admins), has apparently been deleted. An archived copy is still available at http://asinine.ws/clearing-the-air.html . I have tried to post the text here, but the discussion is quite long and it is difficult to include it here (because help.com uses rather intricate formatting code).
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Now a new discussion has been started which is related to the censorship issue (primarily focusing on "moderation" (even though that is combined with the issue of "subscription", the primary focus [IMHO] is on moderation).
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I have now simply copied the text as of last evening and include a copy of this text (unformatted) here. To see the updated version (including all further edits), please visit http://help.com/post/123552-helpcom (note, however, that this text copy includes some comments which have in the meantime been deleted -- again: due to "moderation" [aka "censorship"]):
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Help.com?
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~Adjustment~
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If Help.com was no longer free, would you pay?
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How much would you pay for a monthly fee?
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If you wouldn’t pay to come here, why?
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OR
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Would it be better if before you could reply or post anything you had to have a registered account, rather then being able to post and reply like it is at the moment where you do not have to register?
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Would it be better to have more mods with more abilities to be able to keep the trouble causers to minimum?
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**Just random thoughts, No need to panic as this is just pure fiction, just interested to know :)**
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Reciprocity (10) Many thank yous! The poster has helped others since their own post was made.
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Since writing this post })i({ ~LazyDaze has helped in 10 other users' posts. })i({ ~LazyDaze is a verified member, has been around for 7 months, 1 week and has 27 posts and 6,770 replies to their name.
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randomness, Fiction, Panic, Come Here, free, Fee, pure, pay (Edit Tags) (How Tags Affect Reciprocity)
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Where were you?
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Normally, you'd see a very neat map of all the people participating in this post, but you currently have it disabled.
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If you'd like to turn it back on, enable it in your account settings.
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10 hours, 38 minutes ago (2 minutes after post)
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yeah i would pay i suppose im not sure how much i enjoy coming on here to help people and to have people help me
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yeah i would pay i suppose im not sure how much i enjoy coming on here to help people and to have people help me
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Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 10 hours, 36 minutes ago (4 minutes after post)
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Yay…
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I would pay too :)
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I think something like $7 a month, something simple like that, which is about £3 ish.
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I think it would help towards costs of running the place and also keep people who are not serious about this place out, like the people who just come here to cause a fight and then leave, would they still pay to come and do that?
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Yay... I would pay too :) I think something like $7 a month, something simple like that, which is about £3 ish. I think it would help towards costs of running the place and also keep people who are not serious about this place out, like the people who just come here to cause a fight and then leave, would they still pay to come and do that?
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Brookdale, 08, AU | 10 hours, 32 minutes ago (9 minutes after post)
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I would pay $7 a month I guess, but how is the question? I have no credit card and paypal is a mystery to me.
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I would pay $7 a month I guess, but how is the question? I have no credit card and paypal is a mystery to me.
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Belvedere, A6, GB | 10 hours, 31 minutes ago (9 minutes after post)
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I wouldn’t pay because help shouldn’t come with a price. Help should be totally free.
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Why pay for advice? It’s a horrid way of making money!
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I wouldn't pay because help shouldn't come with a price. Help should be totally free. Why pay for advice? It's a horrid way of making money!
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yeah but i know where lazydaze is coming from it would keep away the people who just come on here to cause a fight ect….
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yeah but i know where lazydaze is coming from it would keep away the people who just come on here to cause a fight ect....
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Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 10 hours, 27 minutes ago (13 minutes after post)
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Ahh see I didn’t think of it like that, paying for the help, I was thinking more of paying for the place your in to get the help and keep th place going, thats all… But then i suppose it would be paying for help and that should be free..
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Ahh see I didn't think of it like that, paying for the help, I was thinking more of paying for the place your in to get the help and keep th place going, thats all... But then i suppose it would be paying for help and that should be free..
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Belvedere, A6, GB | 10 hours, 27 minutes ago (14 minutes after post)
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You’d think but people would pay just to have there opinion heard! The problem wont go. That’s what admins and mods are for. They supposed to get rid of people like that. If there was a charge involved there wouldn’t be much the admins and mods could do. After all, all the help.com people are paying customers!
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You'd think but people would pay just to have there opinion heard! The problem wont go. That's what admins and mods are for. They supposed to get rid of people like that. If there was a charge involved there wouldn't be much the admins and mods could do. After all, all the help.com people are paying customers!
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Dubai, 03, AE | 10 hours, 26 minutes ago (14 minutes after post)
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i think i would pay because before i discoverd help.com on my free time there was really nothing to do so i think i would pay
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i think i would pay because before i discoverd help.com on my free time there was really nothing to do so i think i would pay
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Belvedere, A6, GB | 10 hours, 25 minutes ago (15 minutes after post)
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    You’d think but people would pay just to have there opinion heard! The problem wont go. That’s what admins and mods are for. They supposed to get rid of people like that. If there was a charge involved there wouldn’t be much the admins and mods could do. After all, all the help.com people are paying customers!
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Or rather would be paying customers if a charge was involved :-p
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[quote pinknfluffy198]You'd think but people would pay just to have there opinion heard! The problem wont go. That's what admins and mods are for. They supposed to get rid of people like that. If there was a charge involved there wouldn't be much the admins and mods could do. After all, all the help.com people are paying customers![/quote] Or rather would be paying customers if a charge was involved :-p
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Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 10 hours, 25 minutes ago (15 minutes after post)
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You can get banned from anywhere if you cause trouble doesn’t matter if you pay or not, online and reality.
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You can get banned from anywhere if you cause trouble doesn't matter if you pay or not, online and reality.
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10 hours, 24 minutes ago (16 minutes after post)
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lazydaze have you had trouble on here then?
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lazydaze have you had trouble on here then?
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10 hours, 24 minutes ago (17 minutes after post)
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i will say i have been on here for about 7mths and have had none.
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i will say i have been on here for about 7mths and have had none.
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Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 10 hours, 23 minutes ago (18 minutes after post)
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A little trouble with people who come in and abuse the site and then never come back, had a few call names and try to start arguments etc but thats about it, I have seen worse happen to other people and thats where I think a fee would eliminate most of the trouble makers
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A little trouble with people who come in and abuse the site and then never come back, had a few call names and try to start arguments etc but thats about it, I have seen worse happen to other people and thats where I think a fee would eliminate most of the trouble makers
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10 hours, 19 minutes ago (21 minutes after post)
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yeah your probably right…
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yeah your probably right...
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10 hours, 13 minutes ago (27 minutes after post)
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please dont say wed ever have to pay lol id die literally die lol cause i hate payin for anything and i love this help site lol
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please dont say wed ever have to pay lol id die literally die lol cause i hate payin for anything and i love this help site lol
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Falkirk, U9, GB | 10 hours, 11 minutes ago (30 minutes after post)
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Wouldn’t it also keep away people who really needed the help, but didn’t have the ability to pay. There seem to be rather a lot of kids come on here looking for help and advice. As well as keeping away the troublemakers, it would also things more difficult for some of the people who need help the most. Not everyone on here has a credit/debit card or a paypal account, after all.
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You’re always going to get a**h*les on here, fee-paying or not. Just as in life outside the computer screen. Ignore them, don’t try to chase them off with the introduction of fees.
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Wouldn't it also keep away people who really needed the help, but didn't have the ability to pay. There seem to be rather a lot of kids come on here looking for help and advice. As well as keeping away the troublemakers, it would also things more difficult for some of the people who need help the most. Not everyone on here has a credit/debit card or a paypal account, after all. You're always going to get a**h*les on here, fee-paying or not. Just as in life outside the computer screen. Ignore them, don't try to chase them off with the introduction of fees.
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Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 9 hours, 22 minutes ago (1 hour, 18 minutes after post)
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Yeah can see what you are saying, not everyone can pay no matter the price, also not everyone would be willing to have it on a bank statement…
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Ok, bad idea then, was just a thought.
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Yeah can see what you are saying, not everyone can pay no matter the price, also not everyone would be willing to have it on a bank statement... Ok, bad idea then, was just a thought.
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    Help.com?
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    If Help.com was no longer free, would you pay?
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    How much would you pay for a monthly fee?
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    If you wouldn’t pay to come here, why?
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    **Just random thouvghts, No need to panic as this is just pure fiction, just interested to know :)**
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Tamworth, 43, GB | 9 hours, 21 minutes ago (1 hour, 19 minutes after post)
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now that ive been on it i think i would if it wasnt too expensive. i live off benefits at the mo as im a student.
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but if i had found it and saw it wasnt free i dont think i would of joined.
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so it may seem good but i think it would prevent people from joining unless they were referred.
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but for some of us help.com has give some people a purpose in life or a kick up the bum to get going..
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now that ive been on it i think i would if it wasnt too expensive. i live off benefits at the mo as im a student. but if i had found it and saw it wasnt free i dont think i would of joined. so it may seem good but i think it would prevent people from joining unless they were referred. but for some of us help.com has give some people a purpose in life or a kick up the bum to get going..
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Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 9 hours, 19 minutes ago (1 hour, 21 minutes after post)
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OK, how about another look on things…..
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What if help.com satyed free, but you could not post or reply to anything unless you registered?
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If you had to register to make a comment or post somthing that would stop the people who come to mess around?
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OK, how about another look on things..... What if help.com satyed free, but you could not post or reply to anything unless you registered? If you had to register to make a comment or post somthing that would stop the people who come to mess around?
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Tamworth, 43, GB | 9 hours, 9 minutes ago (1 hour, 31 minutes after post)
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    })i({ ~LazyDaze wrote:
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    OK, how about another look on things…..
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    What if help.com satyed free, but you could not post or reply to anything unless you registered?
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    If you had to register to make a comment or post somthing that would stop the people who come to mess around?
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not sure…when i first found this site i didnt register till after my first post…which is lost in time somewhere now lol. but sometimes people are desperate…and find help.com and just want to tell their story. and when they do a lot of people register…and some people leave..so im not sure..
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sometimes i take part in things and then it asks you to register and im like….”cant be aaaaaaarrrrrrrssssssssdddddddd” lol. so i close it. so im undecided on that one. what do you think?
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[quote })i({ ~LazyDaze]OK, how about another look on things..... What if help.com satyed free, but you could not post or reply to anything unless you registered? If you had to register to make a comment or post somthing that would stop the people who come to mess around?[/quote] not sure...when i first found this site i didnt register till after my first post...which is lost in time somewhere now lol. but sometimes people are desperate...and find help.com and just want to tell their story. and when they do a lot of people register...and some people leave..so im not sure.. sometimes i take part in things and then it asks you to register and im like...."cant be aaaaaaarrrrrrrssssssssdddddddd" lol. so i close it. so im undecided on that one. what do you think?
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Help me with: Im worried about my boyfriends daughter.
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Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 9 hours, 5 minutes ago (1 hour, 35 minutes after post)
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See I agree, I can see how others may have a problem with whatever way it works out, the thing is that the aim is to clean up the site and make it that little bit less uninviteing for the bullies to want to join in. I see it everyday on many posts, someone who has never been here before and willmost likely not come back wil say something to hurt someone else, that one thing they say may be forgotten in an instant to them but to the person they say it to could leave a wound that takes a lifetime to heal.
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Just wanted to think of ways to make it harder for bullies to get in but the honest to be safe… Get what I’m trying to say?
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If this site was made safer from attack I would pay anything, but thats just me and I know others have it different, it was just a fictional question for a fictional answer really.
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See I agree, I can see how others may have a problem with whatever way it works out, the thing is that the aim is to clean up the site and make it that little bit less uninviteing for the bullies to want to join in. I see it everyday on many posts, someone who has never been here before and willmost likely not come back wil say something to hurt someone else, that one thing they say may be forgotten in an instant to them but to the person they say it to could leave a wound that takes a lifetime to heal. Just wanted to think of ways to make it harder for bullies to get in but the honest to be safe... Get what I'm trying to say? If this site was made safer from attack I would pay anything, but thats just me and I know others have it different, it was just a fictional question for a fictional answer really.
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Tamworth, 43, GB | 9 hours, 1 minute ago (1 hour, 40 minutes after post)
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if i had the money i would completely. but there are a lot of young people on here too and that may pose a problem.
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I am sick to death of people who make personal attacks or try to start an argument. i believe at least half the members on here are here just to cause arguments.
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like im in a big discussion in lil_bit_shi’s post…and someone comes moaning at what she’s saying, and i said ‘everywhere i see you you seem so negative and make negative comments’ and i then went on to say how we were trying to turn the bad experiences she has had into positive by doing something proactive. and then this person goes on and on and on…
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things like that make me mad. now i tell people ‘Take it up with my shout box if you have a problem and have the curtisy* to leave this post for the discussion it was intended for’
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(ps, i cant spell curtisy* lol, my minds gone blank!)
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if i had the money i would completely. but there are a lot of young people on here too and that may pose a problem. I am sick to death of people who make personal attacks or try to start an argument. i believe at least half the members on here are here just to cause arguments. like im in a big discussion in lil_bit_shi's post...and someone comes moaning at what she's saying, and i said 'everywhere i see you you seem so negative and make negative comments' and i then went on to say how we were trying to turn the bad experiences she has had into positive by doing something proactive. and then this person goes on and on and on... things like that make me mad. now i tell people 'Take it up with my shout box if you have a problem and have the curtisy* to leave this post for the discussion it was intended for' (ps, i cant spell curtisy* lol, my minds gone blank!)
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Atlanta, GA, US | 8 hours, 59 minutes ago (1 hour, 41 minutes after post)
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I, personally, wouldn’t pay. I mainly come here to help other people, and why should I pay to do that? I understand about keeping the ‘bullies’ away, but I think it would also keep some legitimate helpers away as well.
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I, personally, wouldn't pay. I mainly come here to help other people, and why should I pay to do that? I understand about keeping the 'bullies' away, but I think it would also keep some legitimate helpers away as well.
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Help me with: Is it just me, or do most of the mods here seem a little power mad and full of themselves?
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Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 8 hours, 54 minutes ago (1 hour, 46 minutes after post)
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So the haveing to register before you can talk thing is a better idea then maybe? Rather than paying a fee?
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So the haveing to register before you can talk thing is a better idea then maybe? Rather than paying a fee?
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Tamworth, 43, GB | 8 hours, 50 minutes ago (1 hour, 50 minutes after post)
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probably. because those who are serious about actual ‘help’ will be more likely to register i guess
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probably. because those who are serious about actual 'help' will be more likely to register i guess
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Help me with: Im worried about my boyfriends daughter.
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Atlanta, GA, US | 8 hours, 48 minutes ago (1 hour, 52 minutes after post)
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Registering instead of a fee would be better, but there is a problem with that too. Some people with legitimate (possibly embarassing, at least to them) problems won’t post their problems and ask for help if they couldn’t be anonymous.
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Registering instead of a fee would be better, but there is a problem with that too. Some people with legitimate (possibly embarassing, at least to them) problems won't post their problems and ask for help if they couldn't be anonymous.
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Help me with: Is it just me, or do most of the mods here seem a little power mad and full of themselves?
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Frankfurt Am Main, 05, DE | 8 hours, 47 minutes ago (1 hour, 54 minutes after post)
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Original on YouTube.com
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[youtube:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdxHdWQo5q0] :)
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Help me with: The Real Truth (the real story about Help.COM :)
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Atlanta, GA, US | 8 hours, 44 minutes ago (1 hour, 57 minutes after post)
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Basically, you have to ask what is more important to the site:
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Limiting access to keep out the ‘bullies’, but also keep out some people who need help with legitimate problems,
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Open access so the site can help as many people as possible, but also have to put up with ‘bullies’ every once in a while.
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Personally, I think the second option is better.
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Basically, you have to ask what is more important to the site: Limiting access to keep out the 'bullies', but also keep out some people who need help with legitimate problems, or Open access so the site can help as many people as possible, but also have to put up with 'bullies' every once in a while. Personally, I think the second option is better.
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Help me with: Is it just me, or do most of the mods here seem a little power mad and full of themselves?
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Whitehouse Lower, T1, GB | 8 hours, 37 minutes ago (2 hours, 4 minutes after post)
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lol i completely ended up on this beautiful site m=by pure accidentas i was trying to override the proxy advoidnce on my colleges comp and i thought help.com sounds likea helpful address lol i thinki would pay now knowing how good it is but froma new person coming on of the info highway i wouldnt as i wouldnt know what to expect
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lol i completely ended up on this beautiful site m=by pure accidentas i was trying to override the proxy advoidnce on my colleges comp and i thought help.com sounds likea helpful address lol i thinki would pay now knowing how good it is but froma new person coming on of the info highway i wouldnt as i wouldnt know what to expect
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Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 7 hours, 22 minutes ago (3 hours, 18 minutes after post)
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The anon function is not in question, you can be anon unregistered or registered so that would still be the same as it is now, just the fact is that you can still be on the site and look around just that untill you register an account you can’t reply or post…
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[quote jcd]Registering instead of a fee would be better, but there is a problem with that too. Some people with legitimate (possibly embarassing, at least to them) problems won't post their problems and ask for help if they couldn't be anonymous.[/quote] The anon function is not in question, you can be anon unregistered or registered so that would still be the same as it is now, just the fact is that you can still be on the site and look around just that untill you register an account you can't reply or post...
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If I HAD to pay I would. But I don’t think it would be a great idea, neither do I think registration would work. What I think this site needs is more mods with more permissions, so that we can kick the trolls off before things get out of hand (as I’ve noticed they have been lately). But then you have the problem of people getting power hungry.
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If I HAD to pay I would. But I don't think it would be a great idea, neither do I think registration would work. What I think this site needs is more mods with more permissions, so that we can kick the trolls off before things get out of hand (as I've noticed they have been lately). But then you have the problem of people getting power hungry.
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Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 7 hours ago (3 hours, 40 minutes after post)
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Yes Sarah, that is a much better idea, more mods with more abilities, maybe do like a weeks trial and see if they get power mad or not lol But yes, I agree with that idea totaly.
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Yes Sarah, that is a much better idea, more mods with more abilities, maybe do like a weeks trial and see if they get power mad or not lol But yes, I agree with that idea totaly.
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I think you would make a great mod here, since you are a decent person and are here most of the time :)
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I’ve offered to be a mod, but no reply so I take it as a no :(
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I think you would make a great mod here, since you are a decent person and are here most of the time :) I've offered to be a mod, but no reply so I take it as a no :(
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Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 6 hours, 52 minutes ago (3 hours, 48 minutes after post)
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Aww thanks Sarah, many people have said the same, but Im just to scared to ask lol, I don’t like rejection but then I don’t think anyone does. It’s a shame you never heard anything back I think you would be great too, maybe ask again, I know they are looking for mods at the moment so you never know :)
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Aww thanks Sarah, many people have said the same, but Im just to scared to ask lol, I don't like rejection but then I don't think anyone does. It's a shame you never heard anything back I think you would be great too, maybe ask again, I know they are looking for mods at the moment so you never know :)
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Phoenix, AZ, US | 6 hours, 13 minutes ago (4 hours, 28 minutes after post)
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This dragon would be here no more. I can’t afford it.
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This dragon would be here no more. I can't afford it.
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    Help.com?
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    If Help.com was no longer free, would you pay?
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    How much would you pay for a monthly fee?
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    If you wouldn’t pay to come here, why?
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    **Just random thoughts, No need to panic as this is just pure fiction, just interested to know :)**
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Phoenix, AZ, US | 5 hours, 53 minutes ago (4 hours, 48 minutes after post)
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Hm. More mods, if the mods could be trusted. Other than that, having users register would likely limit the idiotic posts and the anons. Registering sounds good.
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Hm. More mods, if the mods could be trusted. Other than that, having users register would likely limit the idiotic posts and the anons. Registering sounds good.
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SARAH! offline Verified User (6 months, 2 weeks) Long Term User Shouts: 213 Add Friend #
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An Undisclosed Location | 5 hours, 36 minutes ago (5 hours, 4 minutes after post)
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How should I contact about becoming a mod?
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How should I contact about becoming a mod?
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Phoenix, AZ, US | 5 hours, 35 minutes ago (5 hours, 5 minutes after post)
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KT1 or Rocky.
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KT1 or Rocky.
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Rocky has left and KT1 is leaving soon. There are new admins, but I don’t know who they are :S
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Rocky has left and KT1 is leaving soon. There are new admins, but I don't know who they are :S
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An Undisclosed Location | 5 hours, 19 minutes ago (5 hours, 22 minutes after post)
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The way it worked for my group was they contacted you, not the other way around. Just be yourself and if the admins like how you behave here, you may be chosen.
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The way it worked for my group was they contacted you, not the other way around. Just be yourself and if the admins like how you behave here, you may be chosen.
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Phoenix, AZ, US | 5 hours, 18 minutes ago (5 hours, 22 minutes after post)
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Rocky left?! When? Why?
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Rocky left?! When? Why?
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An Undisclosed Location | 5 hours, 15 minutes ago (5 hours, 25 minutes after post)
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    The way it worked for my group was they contacted you, not the other way around. Just be yourself and if the admins like how you behave here, you may be chosen.
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Coolio :)
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At first I heard that he was just on honeymoon, but now I’ve heard that he’s left. I hope that it’s not correct as I really liked Rocky. He always helped me with my silly adminy problems :) I really like KT1 too, so it’s a shame to her her go.
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[quote Ken]The way it worked for my group was they contacted you, not the other way around. Just be yourself and if the admins like how you behave here, you may be chosen.[/quote] Coolio :) [quote Xeno Dragon]Rocky left?! When? Why?[/quote] At first I heard that he was just on honeymoon, but now I've heard that he's left. I hope that it's not correct as I really liked Rocky. He always helped me with my silly adminy problems :) I really like KT1 too, so it's a shame to her her go.
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Phoenix, AZ, US | 5 hours, 12 minutes ago (5 hours, 28 minutes after post)
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I don’t want them to go…
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I don't want them to go...
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An Undisclosed Location | 5 hours, 11 minutes ago (5 hours, 30 minutes after post)
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To my knowledge they are not completely leaving, they just have other projects to work on so they won’t be on as much.
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To my knowledge they are not completely leaving, they just have other projects to work on so they won't be on as much.
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Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 4 hours, 55 minutes ago (5 hours, 46 minutes after post)
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Nope, they are leaveing, I heard that too :(
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Nope, they are leaveing, I heard that too :(
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An Undisclosed Location | 4 hours, 50 minutes ago (5 hours, 50 minutes after post)
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Maybe. Not what I heard tho. Since when do the users get to know more than me? haha
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[quote })i({ ~LazyDaze]Nope, they are leaveing, I heard that too :([/quote] Maybe. Not what I heard tho. Since when do the users get to know more than me? haha
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I wish users that com on this site every day and put up very few replies, if any would go to another site.
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They just seem to use the shout pages or the chat room. When they do make replies to posts they quite ofthen rude or start arguments.
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Is this Help.com or Chat.com?
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I would like to see the chat room go.
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If this sites administrators and moderators keep the fundamental philosophy that brought this site online and keep it as a help site I would be happy to pay a subcription.
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I wish users that com on this site every day and put up very few replies, if any would go to another site. They just seem to use the shout pages or the chat room. When they do make replies to posts they quite ofthen rude or start arguments. Is this Help.com or Chat.com? I would like to see the chat room go. If this sites administrators and moderators keep the fundamental philosophy that brought this site online and keep it as a help site I would be happy to pay a subcription.
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Phoenix, AZ, US | 1 hour, 29 minutes ago (9 hours, 11 minutes after post)
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I don’t see anything wrong with Chat.
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I don't see anything wrong with Chat.
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Tamworth, 43, GB | 1 hour, 22 minutes ago (9 hours, 18 minutes after post)
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lol ive never even used the chat room…is it any good?
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lol ive never even used the chat room...is it any good?
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Phoenix, AZ, US | 1 hour, 22 minutes ago (9 hours, 19 minutes after post)
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You could try it, and find out.
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You could try it, and find out.
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Tamworth, 43, GB | 1 hour, 17 minutes ago (9 hours, 23 minutes after post)
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is it slow or does it work like msn..?
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is it slow or does it work like msn..?
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Phoenix, AZ, US | 1 hour, 13 minutes ago (9 hours, 27 minutes after post)
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Just try it. http://help.com/chat
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Just try it. http://help.com/chat
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Tamworth, 43, GB | 1 hour, 11 minutes ago (9 hours, 29 minutes after post)
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i’ll ask someone else first then…my laptops broken…and it screws up all the time when i run larger programs or things that require more RAM. it freezes for a while when i get the notices from help.com in the green strip so…
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i'll ask someone else first then...my laptops broken...and it screws up all the time when i run larger programs or things that require more RAM. it freezes for a while when i get the notices from help.com in the green strip so...
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Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 1 hour, 8 minutes ago (9 hours, 32 minutes after post)
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I think chat is a waste of time, a function that causes more bad than good, it is pre dated old and pointless, the chat goes slow with no rythem, no one knows who is talking to who and thats what causes the arguments, and if you get in there when there is no one argueing then hang around a min or 2 because it won’t be long before one starts……
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There that si my opinion, I have been to chat about 10 times maybe and each time bar about twice it has been as I have described.
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I think chat is a waste of time, a function that causes more bad than good, it is pre dated old and pointless, the chat goes slow with no rythem, no one knows who is talking to who and thats what causes the arguments, and if you get in there when there is no one argueing then hang around a min or 2 because it won't be long before one starts...... There that si my opinion, I have been to chat about 10 times maybe and each time bar about twice it has been as I have described.
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I’ve been in there more times than I can count, and that’s only happened a few of them. Maybe your timing has something to do with it.
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I've been in there more times than I can count, and that's only happened a few of them. Maybe your timing has something to do with it.
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Tamworth, 43, GB | 1 hour, 5 minutes ago (9 hours, 35 minutes after post)
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hmm…im pretty happy with the posts on here anyway…
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i mean i like the discussion. it may not always be really important but its nice to have a ‘theme’.
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if i wanted to talk about meaningless rubbish i would go into a bar on my own and wear a skirt lmao. its guy after boring guy lol. so im quite happy with they way the system works here.
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etc etc. i like the fact that it is so seperate to bebo and facebook and myspace. which are ok, but you cant really have the decent discussions on there like we do on here
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hmm...im pretty happy with the posts on here anyway... i mean i like the discussion. it may not always be really important but its nice to have a 'theme'. if i wanted to talk about meaningless rubbish i would go into a bar on my own and wear a skirt lmao. its guy after boring guy lol. so im quite happy with they way the system works here. One thing i like about help.com is that our personal info and profiles are simple. there are no applications. friends in common. top friends. send your friend a drink. superpoke. etc etc. i like the fact that it is so seperate to bebo and facebook and myspace. which are ok, but you cant really have the decent discussions on there like we do on here
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Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 1 hour ago (9 hours, 40 minutes after post)
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Yeah I suppose you are right, it does seem to be original… or unique
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Yeah I suppose you are right, it does seem to be original... or unique
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Tamworth, 43, GB | 56 minutes ago (9 hours, 44 minutes after post)
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mmm, i much prefer they way it all works…its a good way to meet nice people too. i know theres a few of us on here who are like ‘the regulars’ lol. well i dont know all of them, im sure everyone has different people on their regular list, but the point is a lot of us have made a few valuble friends.
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[quote })i({ ~LazyDaze]Yeah I suppose you are right, it does seem to be original... or unique[/quote] mmm, i much prefer they way it all works...its a good way to meet nice people too. i know theres a few of us on here who are like 'the regulars' lol. well i dont know all of them, im sure everyone has different people on their regular list, but the point is a lot of us have made a few valuble friends.
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Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 54 minutes ago (9 hours, 46 minutes after post)
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I’m not regualr at all, I’m hardly here ever…..
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I'm not regualr at all, I'm hardly here ever..... O_o *anyone belive that?*
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Tamworth, 43, GB | 42 minutes ago (9 hours, 58 minutes after post)
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haha your obsessed really. :P
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o/j, cant wait till spring, my caravan opens up again (in abergele). maybe i could borrow your pc whilst im there to post lol.
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again o/j…im on here every day now…its sad but i study from home so i use it whilst im ’studyin’.
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[quote })i({ ~LazyDaze]I'm not regualr at all, I'm hardly here ever.....O_o*anyone belive that?*[/quote] haha your obsessed really. :P o/j, cant wait till spring, my caravan opens up again (in abergele). maybe i could borrow your pc whilst im there to post lol. again o/j...im on here every day now...its sad but i study from home so i use it whilst im 'studyin'.
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Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 41 minutes ago (10 hours after post)
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OMG Barbie I am like 10 min drive from Abergele lol
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OMG Barbie I am like 10 min drive from Abergele lol
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Tamworth, 43, GB | 36 minutes ago (10 hours, 5 minutes after post)
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i know, i walk my dog along the beach in colwyn bay, they don’t let dogs on the beach in rhyl, and pensarn beach isn’t very big etc.
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that’s why i said it lol :P
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its like my family’s little holiday thing. its one of those static caravans…you know what i mean cuz there are MILLIONS of them around north wales lol.
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anyway…I’m gona think of something to say related to the topic so i don’t risk it being closed lol….
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OK…i think help.com should install a spellchecker!!! SOOOOOOOOOOOOO many people on here criticize people for incorrect spelling and use it to score points, i think it would save a bit of unnecessary argument.
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i know, i walk my dog along the beach in colwyn bay, they don't let dogs on the beach in rhyl, and pensarn beach isn't very big etc. that's why i said it lol :P its like my family's little holiday thing. its one of those static caravans...you know what i mean cuz there are MILLIONS of them around north wales lol. anyway...I'm gona think of something to say related to the topic so i don't risk it being closed lol.... OK...i think help.com should install a spellchecker!!! SOOOOOOOOOOOOO many people on here criticize people for incorrect spelling and use it to score points, i think it would save a bit of unnecessary argument. but as a note...Google toolbar has a spell check! i should use it more often though...my spelling is awful on here...i just cant be bothered to think properly when I'm relaxing.
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Halifax, NS, CA | 35 minutes ago (10 hours, 5 minutes after post)
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I love this site, but I would not pay, because I couldn’t. I am only 13, and my parents would not allow me to pay money for a site. Teenage years are (most of the time) the time in our life with we inconter most problems. Yet most teens on this site wouldd be unable to pay, so the ones who most need help would not get it.
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I love this site, but I would not pay, because I couldn't. I am only 13, and my parents would not allow me to pay money for a site. Teenage years are (most of the time) the time in our life with we inconter most problems. Yet most teens on this site wouldd be unable to pay, so the ones who most need help would not get it.
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Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 33 minutes ago (10 hours, 7 minutes after post)
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Lol may bump into you then Barbie if you are about in colwyn bay :D
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Lol may bump into you then Barbie if you are about in colwyn bay :D And star I know what you mean but there are other options, like registering or more mods, what one would be more effective?
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Frankfurt Am Main, 05, DE | 29 minutes ago (10 hours, 11 minutes after post)
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Hi all!
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It’s ME! :D
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I’ve decided to hop aboard since there’s talk that the management is being renewed.
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I want to say how unhappy I was about the fact that the xbox account was banned. I think that was inexcusable and infantile.
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Let’s see if there has been any change in approach to managing the site — if I am gone in a couple minutes, then you will know that very little has changed…
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Hi all! It's ME! :D I've decided to hop aboard since there's talk that the management is being renewed. I want to say how unhappy I was about the fact that the xbox account was banned. I think that was inexcusable and infantile. Let's see if there has been any change in approach to managing the site -- if I am gone in a couple minutes, then you will know that very little has changed... :) nmw
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Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 28 minutes ago (10 hours, 12 minutes after post)
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LMAO
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Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 27 minutes ago (10 hours, 13 minutes after post)
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You didn’t have to announce it so much!
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You could have gone longer if you had not said so much haha
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You didn't have to announce it so much! You could have gone longer if you had not said so much haha
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Yeah I would pay. By the way someone else made a post about this very same thing about three weeks back :)
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Yeah I would pay. By the way someone else made a post about this very same thing about three weeks back :)
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I’m still here…
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(maybe I should repeat this until the site management get’s sick ‘n’ tired of reading it? ;)
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I'm still here... (maybe I should repeat this until the site management get's sick 'n' tired of reading it? ;)
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Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 22 minutes ago (10 hours, 19 minutes after post)
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Oh someone already did?
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Trust you to know that Soul lol
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x, why do you want to make people sick of it?
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Are you wanting something to happen?
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Oh someone already did? Trust you to know that Soul lol x, why do you want to make people sick of it? Are you wanting something to happen?
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:) Yep they did. You will never get a patent for anything this way hun :) if you win a Nobel price I am sure you will have to share it with someone else who discovered(whatever it is) it independently from you.
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:) Yep they did. You will never get a patent for anything this way hun :) if you win a Nobel price I am sure you will have to share it with someone else who discovered(whatever it is) it independently from you. Having said that, way to go cool mama :D
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Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 17 minutes ago (10 hours, 23 minutes after post)
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LoL Thanks soul :D
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And yes, no ideas of my own….
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LoL Thanks soul :D And yes, no ideas of my own....
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Frankfurt Am Main, 05, DE | 16 minutes ago (10 hours, 24 minutes after post)
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Nah, not at all — it was this:
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    You didn’t have to announce it so much!
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    You could have gone longer if you had not said so much haha
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So maybe I should just explain that I have nothing to hide — but if I disappear, then you will know that with regard to this nonsensical censorship issue, very little has changed.
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Just in case I’m gone sooner than you can look, let me also say that I think it would be good if everyone was a moderator — and that all moderators had to be fully transparent — so pressing on the red flag would be something everyone would also have to be able to justify (not only with their own conscience, but also to the other participants ussing this site.
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Nah, not at all -- it was this: [quote })i({ ~LazyDaze]You didn't have to announce it so much! You could have gone longer if you had not said so much haha[/quote] So maybe I should just explain that I have nothing to hide -- but if I disappear, then you will know that with regard to this nonsensical censorship issue, very little has changed. Just in case I'm gone sooner than you can look, let me also say that I think it would be good if <i><b>everyone</b></i> was a moderator -- and that <i><b>all</b></i> moderators had to be fully transparent -- so pressing on the red flag would be something <i><b>everyone</b></i> would also have to be able to <i>justify</i> (not only with their <i>own</i> conscience, but also to the other participants ussing this site.
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Hey I didn’t say that. What I meant was you discover things independently from others, a wee bit late but the idea is yours nevertheless :D
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Hey I didn't say that. What I meant was you discover things independently from others, a wee bit late but the idea is yours nevertheless :D
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Tamworth, 43, GB | 14 minutes ago (10 hours, 26 minutes after post)
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well my profile pic was taken yesterday so i look like that lol. and im always seen with this dog:
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[quote })i({ ~LazyDaze]Lol may bump into you then Barbie if you are about in colwyn bay :D[/quote] well my profile pic was taken yesterday so i look like that lol. and im always seen with this dog: <img src="http://a849.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/90/l_b22e16ed6ec3b62bf5254f2a4b5fe0d0.jpg"/> shes my baby!!!!!!
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Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 13 minutes ago (10 hours, 27 minutes after post)
  
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Ahahaha, is your dog wearing a top? hehe
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Ahahaha, is your dog wearing a top? hehe
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i know lmao its her hoody. it says “go girl” on the back!!! if you think thats bad…
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i know lmao its her hoody. it says "go girl" on the back!!! if you think thats bad...
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Tamworth, 43, GB | 12 minutes ago (10 hours, 29 minutes after post)
  
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yboy, i dont understand what your on about…what do you mean about the xbox account? and why will you be gone?
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<img src="http://a57.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/12/l_e77efb0a43a484e427ec6485ced98b88.jpg"/> hehe... yboy, i dont understand what your on about...what do you mean about the xbox account? and why will you be gone?
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There’a cutie. Looks like made of silk :)
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There'a cutie. Looks like made of silk :)
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Frankfurt Am Main, 05, DE | 10 minutes ago (10 hours, 31 minutes after post)
  
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hahaha -- raver, the xbox account was taken out back and exterminated. sounds gruesome, eh? well -- that's what it <i>feels</i> like!
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Yeah was gonna say that the dog oks very fluffy
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Cotton candy :)
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lol thanks. she’s a ‘bichon frise’ which is a bit like a poodle…anyway she hasnt got fur, she’s got hair. so she’s anti allergy. so people who are allergic to animal fur don’t have to worry lol!
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what xbox account…on help.com or on xbox…sorry but im so tired so if im not getting the obvious you have my permission to point and laugh lol.
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lol thanks. she's a 'bichon frise' which is a bit like a poodle...anyway she hasnt got fur, she's got hair. so she's anti allergy. so people who are allergic to animal fur don't have to worry lol! [quote yboy]hahaha -- raver, the xbox account was taken out back and exterminated. sounds gruesome, eh? well -- that's what it <i>feels</i> like![/quote] what xbox account...on help.com or on xbox...sorry but im so tired so if im not getting the obvious you have my permission to point and laugh lol.
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she’s nice for a dog. good with children an all that…My bfs lil girl only just turned 1…and she grabs my dog by the eyes and the mouth an the ears and pulls her about…and when my dog wants her to stop she lickes her hand lol. its cute…
  
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lol. she's not like a dog...she's like a lil baby lol... she doesnt really act very 'dogish'. apart from the fact that if she's not hungry she'll bury her food lmao. she's nice for a dog. good with children an all that...My bfs lil girl only just turned 1...and she grabs my dog by the eyes and the mouth an the ears and pulls her about...and when my dog wants her to stop she lickes her hand lol. its cute... ...ok its probably not cute but if you ever get to own a tiny dog you feel a lot differently towards dogs than you did before...
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<p>Why do you feel it is your responsibility to decide whether something is helpful or not? Is it not true that what might <i>not</i> be helpful to you may <i>indeed</i> be very helpful to someone else? Is this site about <i>you</i> consider to be helpful, or what the <i>users of the site</i> consider to be helpful? I would think it should be the latter. What do <i>you</i> think?
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305018">[quote worried_love_m]all you need is love[/quote]please read the shout-trail exchange before responding. thanks! :) nmw</textarea> <p> changed the tags on this post: they were "Accept, question, Screenshot, data, link, form, Help, post, talk, Content" 2 days, 6 hours ago.</p> </div><p>
 
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<p> <div style="display: none;" id="history-4085889"><blockquote><p>Clearing the Air<br> <br> <b><i>The follow text is copied from the shout-trail exchange between KT1 and myself. I would like to bring this out into the open for discussion. There may be some typos (sometimes I noticed space missing from the copy/paste activity) -- please feel free to edit and correct the typos.<br> <br> I am eager to hear feedback from the help.com community!<br> <br> Thanks for helping to clear the air!</i><br> <br> :) nmw</b><br> <br> </p><p>====</p><p><br> KT1<br>Please stop spamming posts with URLs to fill in the contact form</p><p>====</p><p><br> xbox<br>I don't understand - when people ask for help, links are often provided to sites that might be helpful.</p><p>Could you explain your reasoning a little more?</p><p>====</p><p><br> KT1<br>The sites you were linking are empty, thus not helpful, and we are getting complaints.</p><p>====</p><p><br> xbox<br>who is complaining? why don't they start helping and stop complaining? Isn't "help" what this site is supposed to be about?</p><p>====</p><p><br> KT1<br>Yes,this site is about help and if you have informational or news sites toadd to those topics in a contextual way, you are more than welcome topost tham. Posting undeveloped sites and advising users to contact youhas the appearance of a scam.</p><p>====</p><p><br> xbox<br>It seems to me that you have perhaps had bad experiences in the past that make you fearful of scammers. I do not consider myself to be a scammer,and I feel it is inappropriate for you to assume that I might be.</p><p>What could we do in order to abate your fears?</p><p>====</p><p><br> KT1<br>Stop posting links to sites with no content and asking people to fill out the form to contact you.</p><p>====</p><p><br> xbox<br>You seem to be avoiding my question:</p><p>1. there is content on those sites - including an invitation to become engaged and help</p><p>2. since the sites linked to are about helping WRT the topic in question, they are highly relevant</p><p>3.you
 
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appear to have not responded to my question about your fear ofscammers - what experiences have you had in the past, and how did youdeal with them (and how are these similar to the present situation)?</p><p>====</p><p><br> KT1<br>To answer your questions:</p><p>1. I have gone to the sites and there is no content.<br>2. There is no content on the sites, thus they are not relevant.<br>3. Scammers and spammers are banned.</p><p>====</p><p><br> xbox<br>we appear to have a difference of opinion WRT what qualifies as content.</p><p>Could you describe the basis for your judgement whether content exists or not?</p><p>Forme, no content means that the browser shows an error message that nocontent was found. On the other hand, if the site returns data and thebrowser displays these data, then I refer to the data returned as the"content".</p><p>Could you describe what you mean when you say"content"? (since by the "operational definition" of content that Igave above there obviously <i>is</i> content at the sites I have linked to; but still you maintain that there is "no content" - could you explain this?)</p><p>====</p><p><br> KT1<br>We will have to agree to disagree.</p><p>====</p><p><br> xbox<br>and could you also explain how your statement that "scammers and spammers are banned" is related to the present situation?</p><p>====</p><p><br> KT1<br>You asked what was done to scammers and spammers and I answered.</p><p>====</p><p><br> xbox<br>OK, so I guess that it really isn't relevant to the present situation after all.</p><p>AndI am sorry to say that I cannot agree or disagree with your remarksabout content since you are not explaining what you mean when yourefer to content (and therefore your views seem abstract rather thanconcrete). I guess I will just have to accept that you are unable todescribe what you mean (when you refer to "content") and therefore yourstatements about the presence or absence of content are invalidated).</p><p>Iam not unwilling to listen to you, but if you do not wish to explainyourself, then I will simply have to accept that, I guess.</p><p>If that's what you mean by "agree to disagree", then OK - I can accept that you do not wish to talk about it.</p><p>====</p><p><br> KT1<br>As an example, this link you posted has content of a helpful nature, <a href="http://works.in/com/work/earning-money-online--create-part-time-work-at-home-jobs-to-find-a-job-marketing-your-own-skills.html"></a><a href="http://works.in/com/work/earning-mone%E2%80%A6">http://works.in/com/work/earning-mone...</a>, and this link you posted, <a href="http://law.firm.in/"></a><a href="http://law.firm.in/">http://law.firm.in/</a>, does not. The first is allowed, the second is not.</p><p>====</p><p><br> xbox<br>The second link you mentioned was provided as a useful form for exchanginginformation about lawyers in response to the question "<b>Does anyone know of a really good lawyer or journalist in Ireland, England or America?</b>". I feel it was <i>highly relevant</i> and <i>helpful</i> - I am sorry that you have now deleted the comment because now others will not be able to decide whether it is helpful <i>to them</i> or not.</p><p>Why do you feel it is your responsibility to decide whether something is helpful or not? Is it not true that what might <i>not</i> be helpful to you may <i>indeed</i> be very helpful to someone else? Is this site about <i>you</i> consider to be helpful, or what the <i>users of the site</i> consider to be helpful? I would think it should be the latter. What do <i>you</i> think?</p><p>====</p><p><br> KT1<br>The owners of this site reserve that right.</p><p>====</p><p><br> xbox<br>what right?</p><p>====</p><p><br> KT1<br>Just curious, can you post a screenshot of what you see when you click the second link to my shoutbox?</p><p>====</p><p><br> xbox<br>why? can't you post screenshots?</p><p>====</p><p><br> xbox<br>and I'm also still curious what "right" you are talking about (and why?)</p><p>====</p><p><br> KT1<br>Iam trying to answer your questions but if you are more interested inarguing than posting a screenshot of what YOU see (I know what I see)then this discussion is over.</p><p>====</p><p><br> xbox<br>well I know what I see too - and I assume (since we're talking about thesame URL) that it's the same data. If you are in doubt, then maybe youshould simply post a screenshot and I can confirm that whether what yousee is (more or less) equivalent to what I see.</p><p>I still don'tunderstand what you meant with "right", but if you do not care to talkabout that either, then I can accept that, too. And I also have toleave in about half an hour, so if we can't figure this out soon, thenmaybe we'll just have to revisit any unresolved issues another time.</p><p>I <i>am</i> <b>concerned</b>about the fact that you seem to place very little trust in the users ofthe site. Is this something I could post about, or would you reactnegatively to such a post?</p><p>====</p><p><br> KT1<br>Please do not make post "subject" lines in all caps.</p><p>====</p><p><br> xbox<br>LOL, ok - I wanted to do that as a way to put the topic to discussion.</p><p>:) nmw</p><p>====</p><p><br> KT1<br>As a tpoic it is fine. We don't like it for subject lines because the site would be a bit annoying to read.</p><p>====</p><p><br> xbox<br>I totally agree!</p><p>====</p><p><br> KT1<br>Post one more link to a site with no content - only a domain parking spot or list of links - and you will be banned.</p><p>====</p><p><br> KT1<br>Ibanned you because you persisted in posted your sites after being askedtwice not to. You are not allowed to advertise on our sites as youagreed to in the Terms of Use. If you do it again, in any way, shape or form, you will be permanently banned.</p><p>====</p><p><br> xbox<br>I don't exactly understand what you mean - is linking to other sites that display advertisements not permitted? If that were the case, then you would basically be say that it is not permissible to link to 99% of the Internet (at least). To me, this sounds <i>absurd</i>.</p><p>====</p><p> (END OF TRANSCRIPT at date of this post)</p></blockquote></div><p>
 
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<a href="http://help.com/user/96181-dan-tl"> <em>Dan TL</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>Dang that was a read. Well what now ? you both still going at it ? settle/resolve somthing ?</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305062">Dang that was a read. Well what now ? you both still going at it ? settle/resolve somthing ?</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>RE: The second link you mentioned was provided as a useful form for exchanging information about lawyers in response to the question "<b>Does anyone know of a really good lawyer or journalist in Ireland, England or America?</b>"</p><p>see <a href="http://help.com/post/105811-does-anyone-know-of-a-really-good">http://help.com/post/105811-does-anyo...</a></p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305063">RE: The second link you mentioned was provided as a useful form for exchanging information about lawyers in response to the question "&lt;b&gt;Does anyone know of a really good lawyer or journalist in Ireland, England or America?&lt;/b&gt;" see http://help.com/post/105811-does-anyone-know-of-a-really-good</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>Dan TL wrote: </strong><br>Dang that was a read. Well what now ? you both still going at it ? settle/resolve somthing ?</p></blockquote> <p>Good question, Dan.</p><p>I guess the question we should attempt to resolve is: <b>Should I be banned from this site if/when I link to <i>any</i> other site?</b></p><p>I am not interested in making the kinds of value judgments about the sites that I link to. If others do not support and/or disagree with my work, then I will probably be banned when I do whatever I feel is the right thing to do.</p><p><i>Does the help.com community want me and/or my activity on this site to be banned?</i></p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305072">[quote Dan TL]Dang that was a read. Well what now ? you both still going at it ? settle/resolve somthing ?[/quote]Good question, Dan. I guess the question we should attempt to resolve is: &lt;b&gt;Should I be banned from this site if/when I link to &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; other site?&lt;/b&gt; I am not interested in making the kinds of value judgments about the sites that I link to. If others do not support and/or disagree with my work, then I will probably be banned when I do whatever I feel is the right thing to do. &lt;i&gt;Does the help.com community want me and/or my activity on this site to be banned?&lt;/i&gt;</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/96181-dan-tl"> <em>Dan TL</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>KT1 said that those links had "no content" does that mean literally their just blank ? I could understand where Kt1's comming from if you did that, but if its just stuff like we all link *zones off*....... i dont even know the real insight so im just going to say, from what i've seen i dont think you need to be banned, i havent seen you do anything wrong but kt1 is on here more then me and mod to monitor so ... idk hope things settle</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305099">KT1 said that those links had "no content" does that mean literally their just blank ? I could understand where Kt1's comming from if you did that, but if its just stuff like we all link *zones off*....... i dont even know the real insight so im just going to say, from what i've seen i dont think you need to be banned, i havent seen you do anything wrong but kt1 is on here more then me and mod to monitor so ... idk hope things settle</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>The other link (the one which was permitted -- see <a href="http://help.com/post/105947-can-you-help-me-figure-out-whether">http://help.com/post/105947-can-you-h...</a> ) linked to a site that includes advertising ("sponsored links" -- much like on this site).</p> <p>In contrast, the link which was not permitted contains no "sponsored links".</p><p>KT1's value judgments seem rather like personal whim than anything reliable. Besides, I feel the community is quite able to discern scammers and flag the posts appropriately (I have done this too).</p><p>Perhaps there should be no anonymity involved in flagging posts -- saying "<i>someone</i>" is complaining simply doesn't hold water.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305102">The other link (the one which was permitted -- see http://help.com/post/105947-can-you-help-me-figure-out-whether ) linked to a site that includes advertising ("sponsored links" -- much like on this site). In contrast, the link which was not permitted contains no "sponsored links". KT1's value judgments seem rather like personal whim than anything reliable. Besides, I feel the community is quite able to discern scammers and flag the posts appropriately (I have done this too). Perhaps there should be no anonymity involved in flagging posts -- saying "&lt;i&gt;someone&lt;/i&gt;" is complaining simply doesn't hold water.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>Dan TL wrote: </strong><br>KT1 said that those links had "no content" does that mean literally their just blank ? I could understand where Kt1's comming from if you did that, but if its just stuff like we all link *zones off*....... i dont even know the real insight so im just going to say, from what i've seen i dont think you need to be banned, i havent seen you do anything wrong but kt1 is on here more then me and mod to monitor so ... idk hope things settle</p></blockquote> <p>Things will definitely settle -- the question is: Will they settle <b>with</b> me or <b>with<i>out</i></b> me?</p><p>It's not like I'm <i>unwilling</i> to listen to reason. But I <i>am</i> <i>un</i>willing (and also <b><i>un</i>able</b> to accept such <i>un</i>reasonable value judgments.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305120">[quote Dan TL]KT1 said that those links had "no content" does that mean literally their just blank ? I could understand where Kt1's comming from if you did that, but if its just stuff like we all link *zones off*....... i dont even know the real insight so im just going to say, from what i've seen i dont think you need to be banned, i havent seen you do anything wrong but kt1 is on here more then me and mod to monitor so ... idk hope things settle[/quote]Things will definitely settle -- the question is: Will they settle &lt;b&gt;with&lt;/b&gt; me or &lt;b&gt;with&lt;i&gt;out&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; me? It's not like I'm &lt;i&gt;unwilling&lt;/i&gt; to listen to reason. But I &lt;i&gt;am&lt;/i&gt; &lt;i&gt;un&lt;/i&gt;willing (and also &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;un&lt;/i&gt;able&lt;/b&gt; to accept such &lt;i&gt;un&lt;/i&gt;reasonable value judgments.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/116705-lil_bit_shi"> <em>lil_bit_shi</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>sorry to see that you have had an issue... however.. i think i know what kt1 is talking about.... click this url.... <a href="http://law.firm.in/">http://law.firm.in/</a> if you notice... when you click it, there is no information on that site... its actually a site that is for sale... check it out... and get back to me..</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305151">sorry to see that you have had an issue... however.. i think i know what kt1 is talking about.... click this url.... http://law.firm.in/ if you notice... when you click it, there is no information on that site... its actually a site that is for sale... check it out... and get back to me..</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/134156-eric-tufka"> <em>Eric, TUFKA</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>XBox, I'd say that posting a link to a site that is for sale is useless unless the person is asking for help finding a domain name.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305167">XBox, I'd say that posting a link to a site that is for sale is useless unless the person is asking for help finding a domain name.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>Shi, that site is one my rather large portfolio of sites (what I refer to as high traffic targeted keyword domain names -- quite like the link I posted to support you [but which was also removed along with my post -- if I remember correctly]). So in that sense the issue affects <i>both of us</i> -- and likewise also the "multiple sclerosis" community, etc. If this community decides there should be no "<b><i>helping</i> each other</b>" allowed here, then I see little sense in participating on this site -- that would almost seem like a scam: to build a site at "help.com" that <i><b>prohibits</b> helping each other</i>.</p> <p>On that site there is an invitation to participate in contributing information that is relevant to the concept "law firm in...". If you feel that there is not enough information there, then why not contribute something? Otherwise, it would be more appropriate for you to say "<i>I don't care</i>" than to make a value judgment as to whether the information which <i><b>is</b> there</i> is sufficient or insufficient.</p><p>Am I right to assume that your opinion is more like "<b><i>I don't care</i></b>"?</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305169">Shi, that site is one my rather large portfolio of sites (what I refer to as high traffic targeted keyword domain names -- quite like the link I posted to support you [but which was also removed along with my post -- if I remember correctly]). So in that sense the issue affects &lt;i&gt;both of us&lt;/i&gt; -- and likewise also the "multiple sclerosis" community, etc. If this community decides there should be no &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;helping&lt;/i&gt; each other&lt;/b&gt; allowed here, then I see little sense in participating on this site -- that would almost seem like a scam: to build a site at "help.com" that &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;prohibits&lt;/b&gt; helping each other&lt;/i&gt;. On that site there is an invitation to participate in contributing information that is relevant to the concept "law firm in...". If you feel that there is not enough information there, then why not contribute something? Otherwise, it would be more appropriate for you to say "&lt;i&gt;I don't care&lt;/i&gt;" than to make a value judgment as to whether the information which &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;is&lt;/b&gt; there&lt;/i&gt; is sufficient or insufficient. Am I right to assume that your opinion is more like &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;I don't care&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;?</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/134156-eric-tufka"> <em>Eric, TUFKA</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>XBox, that is simply not true. The domain name is for sale; the only invitation is to buy the domain name.</p> <p>Even if the site you linked to did work as you claim, a link to a place where a poster could contribute his knowledge of finding a good lawyer does not help him find a good lawyer. An appropriate link would be to a site where others have contributed their knowledge on how to find a good lawyer, or even possibly a site with ads for lawyers.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305172">XBox, that is simply not true. The domain name is for sale; the only invitation is to buy the domain name. Even if the site you linked to did work as you claim, a link to a place where a poster could contribute his knowledge of finding a good lawyer does not help him find a good lawyer. An appropriate link would be to a site where others have contributed their knowledge on how to find a good lawyer, or even possibly a site with ads for lawyers.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/116705-lil_bit_shi"> <em>lil_bit_shi</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>my attitude.. no.. i do care.. i dont want to see you get booted for one.. and i do care that you are trying to help others... im completely on your side here.. however.. when you click the link..http://law.firm.in/ there is nothing there hun... it says the following..</p><p><b> This space is available</b></p> <b></b><p><b>... and cheap !!</b></p> <b></b><p><b>Go to E-Z.name to<br> order it now!</b></p><p>and i think what kt1 was talking about is that this is not a site that is going to help anyone.. its to sell a site.. know what im talking about?</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305175">my attitude.. no.. i do care.. i dont want to see you get booted for one.. and i do care that you are trying to help others... im completely on your side here.. however.. when you click the link..http://law.firm.in/ there is nothing there hun... it says the following.. &lt;b&gt; This space is available ... and cheap !! Go to E-Z.name to order it now!&lt;/b&gt; and i think what kt1 was talking about is that this is not a site that is going to help anyone.. its to sell a site.. know what im talking about?</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>Eric! wrote: </strong><br>XBox, I'd say that posting a link to a site that is for sale is useless unless the person is asking for help finding a domain name.</p></blockquote><blockquote><p><strong>xbox wrote: </strong><br>RE: The second link you mentioned was provided as a useful form for exchanging information about lawyers in response to the question "<b>Does anyone know of a really good lawyer or journalist in Ireland, England or America?</b>"</p><p>see <a href="http://help.com/post/105811-does-anyone-know-of-a-really-good">http://help.com/post/105811-does-anyo...</a></p></blockquote> <p>Eric, please take a look at the thread in which the link was posted. The thread was asking for information that this is relevant to the focus of the site in question --t's not like I posted a link to viagra spam or anything like that.</p><p>If you would like to contribute information, then please: do so!</p><p>But if you don't care, then that is <b><i>your</i> business</b>, not mine!</p><p>(sorry, if I sound a little irritated, but accusing me of saying something that is untrue <i>does</i> ruffle my feathers a little bit.</p> <p>ps: please note that the preview function takes several minutes to display my comments -- and that is the main reason that my responses are delayed.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305176">[quote Eric!]XBox, I'd say that posting a link to a site that is for sale is useless unless the person is asking for help finding a domain name.[/quote][quote xbox]RE: The second link you mentioned was provided as a useful form for exchanging information about lawyers in response to the question "&lt;b&gt;Does anyone know of a really good lawyer or journalist in Ireland, England or America?&lt;/b&gt;" see http://help.com/post/105811-does-anyone-know-of-a-really-good[/quote]Eric, please take a look at the thread in which the link was posted. The thread was asking for information that this is relevant to the focus of the site in question -- it's not like I posted a link to viagra spam or anything like that. If you would like to contribute information, then please: do so! But if you don't care, then that is &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;your&lt;/i&gt; business&lt;/b&gt;, not mine! (sorry, if I sound a little irritated, but accusing me of saying something that is untrue &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; ruffle my feathers a little bit. ps: please note that the preview function takes several minutes to display my comments -- and that is the main reason that my responses are delayed.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/134156-eric-tufka"> <em>Eric, TUFKA</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>I did look at the thread, XBox. The thread was not asking for any information that that site in its current state could possibly have helped them obtain. The only way to view that site from your link was to already be in that poster's thread, where anyone with information that could be put on the site to help that person could have simply helped directly. Therefore, your link was useless.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305182">I did look at the thread, XBox. The thread was not asking for any information that that site in its current state could possibly have helped them obtain. The only way to view that site from your link was to already be in that poster's thread, where anyone with information that could be put on the site to help that person could have simply helped directly. Therefore, your link was useless.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>lil_bit_shi wrote: </strong><br>my attitude.. no.. i do care.. i dont want to see you get booted for one.. and i do care that you are trying to help others... im completely on your side here.. however.. when you click the link..http://law.firm.in/ there is nothing there hun... it says the following..<b> This space is available... and cheap !!Go to E-Z.name toorder it now!</b>and i think what kt1 was talking about is that this is not a site that is going to help anyone.. its to sell a site.. know what im talking about?</p></blockquote> <p>"Cheap" does not equal "Free" -- cheap is cheap, and "there is no such thing as a free lunch".</p><p>Would you like to post something at that site? The site says: "This space is available... and cheap !!Go to E-Z.name to order it now!" -- and that is precisely what it means.</p><p>And <b>thanks for caring</b>!</p><p>:)</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305183">[quote lil_bit_shi]my attitude.. no.. i do care.. i dont want to see you get booted for one.. and i do care that you are trying to help others... im completely on your side here.. however.. when you click the link..http://law.firm.in/ there is nothing there hun... it says the following..&lt;b&gt; This space is available... and cheap !!Go to E-Z.name toorder it now!&lt;/b&gt;and i think what kt1 was talking about is that this is not a site that is going to help anyone.. its to sell a site.. know what im talking about?[/quote]"Cheap" does not equal "Free" -- cheap is cheap, and "there is no such thing as a free lunch". Would you like to post something at that site? The site says: "This space is available... and cheap !!Go to E-Z.name to order it now!" -- and that is precisely what it means. And &lt;b&gt;thanks for caring&lt;/b&gt;! :)</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/116705-lil_bit_shi"> <em>lil_bit_shi</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>i know... but what i think kt1 was getting at was... that is a spam due to selling something... not you persay.. but the site... it isnt really offering advise... just selling something... i think that is why he is having issue with it.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305188">i know... but what i think kt1 was getting at was... that is a spam due to selling something... not you persay.. but the site... it isnt really offering advise... just selling something... i think that is why he is having issue with it.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>Eric! wrote: </strong><br>I did look at the thread, XBox. The thread was not asking for any information that that site in its current state could possibly have helped them obtain. The only way to view that site from your link was to already be in that poster's thread, where anyone with information that could be put on the site to help that person could have simply helped directly. Therefore, your link was useless.</p></blockquote><p>I disagree.</p><p>The person who posted that thread could have asked the <i>very same question</i> to the audience at "law firm in" (and/or "law firm in Ireland" and/or law firm in England and/or "law firm in America"). Like I said: it would have been <b>cheap</b> -- and <i>there is no such thing as a free lunch</i>.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305190">[quote Eric!]I did look at the thread, XBox. The thread was not asking for any information that that site in its current state could possibly have helped them obtain. The only way to view that site from your link was to already be in that poster's thread, where anyone with information that could be put on the site to help that person could have simply helped directly. Therefore, your link was useless.[/quote]I disagree. The person who posted that thread could have asked the &lt;i&gt;very same question&lt;/i&gt; to the audience at "law firm in" (and/or "law firm in Ireland" and/or "law firm in England" and/or "law firm in America"). Like I said: it would have been &lt;b&gt;cheap&lt;/b&gt; -- and &lt;i&gt;there is no such thing as a free lunch&lt;/i&gt;.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>lil_bit_shi wrote: </strong><br>i know... but what i think kt1 was getting at was... that is a spam due to selling something... not you persay.. but the site... it isnt really offering advise... just selling something... i think that is why he is having issue with it.</p></blockquote><p>Like I said to Eric: the site <i><b>offers an opportunity</b> to say something</i>.</p><p>What KT1 is doing is <i><b>prohibiting</b> people from saying something</i>.</p> <p>:/ nmw</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305196">[quote lil_bit_shi]i know... but what i think kt1 was getting at was... that is a spam due to selling something... not you persay.. but the site... it isnt really offering advise... just selling something... i think that is why he is having issue with it.[/quote]Like I said to Eric: the site &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;offers an opportunity&lt;/b&gt; to say something&lt;/i&gt;. What KT1 is doing is &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;prohibiting&lt;/b&gt; people from saying something&lt;/i&gt;. :/ nmw</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/134156-eric-tufka"> <em>Eric, TUFKA</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>In this case, however, there is a "free lunch". CNET is offering that poster a free lunch by letting them post their question here for free and letting the LARGE audience here help. Alternatively, they could indeed buy that domain name, possibly buy a server as well, and put the question up there; however, that would cost quite a bit of money compared to the free post here, and I can almost guarantee you it will reach a much smaller audience. Even the most basic economic analysis reveals that the link does not offer anything worthwhile to the poster of that thread.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305200">In this case, however, there is a "free lunch". CNET is offering that poster a free lunch by letting them post their question here for free and letting the LARGE audience here help. Alternatively, they could indeed buy that domain name, possibly buy a server as well, and put the question up there; however, that would cost quite a bit of money compared to the free post here, and I can almost guarantee you it will reach a much smaller audience. Even the most basic economic analysis reveals that the link does not offer anything worthwhile to the poster of that thread.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>Eric! wrote: </strong><br>In this case, however, there is a "free lunch". CNET is offering that poster a free lunch by letting them post their question here for free and letting the LARGE audience here help. Alternatively, they could indeed buy that domain name, possibly buy a server as well, and put the question up there; however, that would cost quite a bit of money compared to the free post here, and I can almost guarantee you it will reach a much smaller audience. Even the most basic economic analysis reveals that the link does not offer anything worthwhile to the poster of that thread.</p></blockquote><p>Eric, I feel you do not understand the economics of online advertising -- at least not the way I do.</p> <p>To say that <i>anything</i> is free is <i>absurd</i>! Do you water your lawn in the summer? Do you think that breathing the fumes from congested traffic is free? I don't: <b>Everything has a price</b> -- that price may be <i>deemed</i> "high" or "low", but <b><i>nothing</i></b> is ever free. <b><i>Have you ever heard of global warming?!?</i></b> That is the <b>COST</b> of decades of pollution. There may not have been cash involved, but it <i>still <b>hurts</b></i>.</p> <p>Likewise, when you (or somebody else) click(s) on one of the "sponsored links" on this site, it <i><b>hurts</b></i> someone -- maybe a dollar, maybe $10, maybe more.</p><p><i><b>Nothing is free</b></i>.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305215">[quote Eric!]In this case, however, there is a "free lunch". CNET is offering that poster a free lunch by letting them post their question here for free and letting the LARGE audience here help. Alternatively, they could indeed buy that domain name, possibly buy a server as well, and put the question up there; however, that would cost quite a bit of money compared to the free post here, and I can almost guarantee you it will reach a much smaller audience. Even the most basic economic analysis reveals that the link does not offer anything worthwhile to the poster of that thread.[/quote]Eric, I feel you do not understand the economics of online advertising #NAME? To say that &lt;i&gt;anything&lt;/i&gt; is free is &lt;i&gt;absurd&lt;/i&gt;! Do you water your lawn in the summer? Do you think that breathing the fumes from congested traffic is free? I don't: &lt;b&gt;Everything has a price&lt;/b&gt; -- that price may be &lt;i&gt;deemed&lt;/i&gt; "high" or "low", but &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;nothing&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; is ever free. &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Have you ever heard of global warming?!?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; That is the &lt;b&gt;COST&lt;/b&gt; of decades of pollution. There may not have been cash involved, but it &lt;i&gt;still &lt;b&gt;hurts&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;. Likewise, when you (or somebody else) click(s) on one of the "sponsored links" on this site, it &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;hurts&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; someone -- maybe a dollar, maybe $10, maybe more. &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Nothing is free&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/109800-oldfart"> <em>Oldfart</em> </a> <br> <small><a href="http://help.com/faq#sect26">An Undisclosed Location</a> | 2 days, 4 hours ago (2 hours, 8 minutes after post)</small> <div class="reply-text"> <p>I do not want to get into someones else's argument but I have seen another user go a lot longer on here and they post a link to their own site on a particular type of question and not always the correct solution.<br> No matter what the question is about and what it concerns they always post a link to their own web page.<br> I did wonder what the policy was on that sort of thing but now I know, its just a shame that the mods and admins do not investigate everybody equally. Wether you agree or disagree does not come in to it, its either wrong or not.</p><p>I have posted many links on this site and sometimes I was unsure if they were okay, in those instances I have flaged my own post to clarify them because this site is not my property and if the powers that run it see it as a breach then thats their right.</p><p>I am just finding it increasingly worrying that other stuff that is quite offensive seems to be deemed alright and a user gets banned for posting a couple of dodgy links (I use the term "dodgy" loosely as it is merely someone's perception, please do not be offended xbox).</p><p>As far as freedom of speach is concerned, I do not think there is any such thing.<br> People are told we have it in a western culture but its a lot on B/S, what you say is always going to be restricted depending what environment you find yourself in and in this case its this site rules and the people who are employed to monitor them.<br> In fact this post will probably be removed when America wakes up as people in authority have been named in it and thats normally rule number 1. </p> <p>I think you may find yourself staring at another ban xbox, if so its been nice talking to you. </p><p>As you said we use the site for free but the links pay for it and we are the customers, not the people who need help as they have other concerns but mostly the helpers.<br> However it all comes back to who owns it and runs it and I am afraid they can do what they want with their own property. Thats why I see the site becoming more of a chat forum than help site, by allowing this to happen will please their sponsors more, more people more money(oops I will probably be banned for that)</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305218">I do not want to get into someones else's argument but I have seen another user go a lot longer on here and they post a link to their own site on a particular type of question and not always the correct solution. No matter what the question is about and what it concerns they always post a link to their own web page. I did wonder what the policy was on that sort of thing but now I know, its just a shame that the mods and admins do not investigate everybody equally. Wether you agree or disagree does not come in to it, its either wrong or not. I have posted many links on this site and sometimes I was unsure if they were okay, in those instances I have flaged my own post to clarify them because this site is not my property and if the powers that run it see it as a breach then thats their right. I am just finding it increasingly worrying that other stuff that is quite offensive seems to be deemed alright and a user gets banned for posting a couple of dodgy links (I use the term "dodgy" loosely as it is merely someone's perception, please do not be offended xbox). As far as freedom of speach is concerned, I do not think there is any such thing. People are told we have it in a western culture but its a lot on B/S, what you say is always going to be restricted depending what environment you find yourself in and in this case its this site rules and the people who are employed to monitor them. In fact this post will probably be removed when America wakes up as people in authority have been named in it and thats normally rule number 1. I think you may find yourself staring at another ban xbox, if so its been nice talking to you. As you said we use the site for free but the links pay for it and we are the customers, not the people who need help as they have other concerns but mostly the helpers. However it all comes back to who owns it and runs it and I am afraid they can do what they want with their own property. Thats why I see the site becoming more of a chat forum than help site, by allowing this to happen will please their sponsors more, more people more money(oops I will probably be banned for that)</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>xbox wrote: </strong><br>Likewise, when you (or somebody else) click(s) on one of the "sponsored links" on this site, it <i><b>hurts</b></i> someone -- maybe a dollar, maybe $10, maybe more.<i><b>Nothing is free</b></i>.</p></blockquote><p>And BTW: even if you do not click on an advertisement, there is still a cost (this is known in that advertising industry as the cost of an <b>impression</b> --magine someone put a billboard right in front of your house, and every time you opened the door, the first thing you saw was that billboard. I don't think it is reasonable for you to say that there would be no "cost" to you, even though you didn't pay any money for it.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305219">[quote xbox]Likewise, when you (or somebody else) click(s) on one of the sponsored links on this site, it &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;hurts&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; someone -- maybe a dollar, maybe $10, maybe more.&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Nothing is free&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;.[/quote]And BTW: even if you do not click on an advertisement, there is still a cost (this is known in that advertising industry as the cost of an &lt;b&gt;impression&lt;/b&gt; -- Imagine someone put a billboard right in front of your house, and every time you opened the door, the first thing you saw was that billboard. I don't think it is reasonable for you to say that there would be no "cost" to you, even though you didn't pay any money for it.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>Great post, OldFart -- send me an email! ;D</p><blockquote><p>According to some accounts, Emerson visited Thoreau in jail and asked, "Henry, what are you doing in there?" Thoreau replied, "Waldo, the question is what are you doing out there?" Emerson was "out there" because he believed it was shortsighted to protest an isolated evil; society required an entire rebirth of spirituality.</p><p>Emerson missed the point of Thoreau's protest, which was not intended to reform society but was simply an act of conscience. If we do not distinguish right from wrong, Thoreau argued that we will eventually lose the capacity to make the distinction and become, instead, morally numb.</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0503e.asp">http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0503e.asp</a></p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305221">Great post, OldFart -- send me an email! ;D &lt;blockquote&gt;According to some accounts, Emerson visited Thoreau in jail and asked, "Henry, what are you doing in there?" Thoreau replied, "Waldo, the question is what are you doing out there?" Emerson was "out there" because he believed it was shortsighted to protest an isolated evil; society required an entire rebirth of spirituality. Emerson missed the point of Thoreau's protest, which was not intended to reform society but was simply an act of conscience. If we do not distinguish right from wrong, Thoreau argued that we will eventually lose the capacity to make the distinction and become, instead, morally numb.&lt;/blockquote&gt; http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0503e.asp</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/134156-eric-tufka"> <em>Eric, TUFKA</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>XBox, the cost to a user for posting on this site (assuming they already have an internet connection) is zero. They truly are getting a free lunch.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305223">XBox, the cost to a user for posting on this site (assuming they already have an internet connection) is zero. They truly are getting a free lunch.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>Eric! wrote: </strong><br>XBox, the cost to a user for posting on this site (assuming they already have an internet connection) is zero. They truly are getting a free lunch.</p></blockquote><p>Does that mean I am allowed to post again? Are you an admin here?</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305224">[quote Eric!]XBox, the cost to a user for posting on this site (assuming they already have an internet connection) is zero. They truly are getting a free lunch.[/quote]Does that mean I am allowed to post again? Are you an admin here?</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/109800-oldfart"> <em>Oldfart</em> </a> <br> <small><a href="http://help.com/faq#sect26">An Undisclosed Location</a> | 2 days, 3 hours ago (2 hours, 31 minutes after post)</small> <div class="reply-text"> <p>I am afraid I do not give out my email address xbox but I am available on mysapce and facebook.<br> There is a link in my profile<br> (I may have just done a free advert for my own webpage there)</p><p>Anyway, I hope you get your answers as I have to go just now, and I leave you all with this thought,<br> <b>"The only thing free here is the time we give and time is the only thing you can not get back, money owed can always be repaid, items borrowed can be returned but time is a precious gift that should never be under estimated"</b></p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305228">I am afraid I do not give out my email address xbox but I am available on mysapce and facebook. There is a link in my profile (I may have just done a free advert for my own webpage there) Anyway, I hope you get your answers as I have to go just now, and I leave you all with this thought, &lt;b&gt;"The only thing free here is the time we give and time is the only thing you can not get back, money owed can always be repaid, items borrowed can be returned but time is a precious gift that should never be under estimated"&lt;/b&gt;</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/136773-eidos"> <em>Eidos</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>xbox wrote: </strong><br> </p><blockquote><strong>Eric! wrote: </strong><br>XBox, the cost to a user for posting on this site (assuming they already have an internet connection) is zero. They truly are getting a free lunch.</blockquote> <p>Does that mean I am allowed to post again? Are you an admin here?</p></blockquote><p>i dont see why that is spamming<br> KTI is sometimes thickheaded<br> no offence</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305229">[quote xbox][quote Eric!]XBox, the cost to a user for posting on this site (assuming they already have an internet connection) is zero. They truly are getting a free lunch.[/quote]Does that mean I am allowed to post again? Are you an admin here?[/quote]i dont see why that is spamming KTI is sometimes thickheaded no offence</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>Oldfart wrote: </strong><br>I am afraid I do not give out my email address xbox but I am available on mysapce and facebook.There is a link in my profile (I may have just done a free advert for my own webpage there)Anyway, I hope you get your answers as I have to go just now, and I leave you all with this thought, <b>"The only thing free here is the time we give and time is the only thing you can not get back, money owed can always be repaid, items borrowed can be returned but time is a precious gift that should never be under estimated"</b></p></blockquote><p>you can see <i>my</i> email address by visiting my profile (as long as I am not banned)</p><p>:) nmw</p></div><p>
 
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<a href="http://help.com/user/53767-kt1"> <em>KT1</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>For future reference to all, posting a shouttrail between users as a post is inappropriate and will result in the post being closed.</p> <p>As stated in the shouttrail, linking to contextual, relevant personal sites is absolutely allowed. Linking to a personal site that is just a domain parking spot asking users to submit personal information is not.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305252">[quote KT1]For future reference to all, posting a shouttrail between users as a post is inappropriate and will result in the post being closed.[/quote]Perhaps you should note this in some sort of guidelines -- like whether it is permissible to share information on this website. As an example: Is it permissible to quote a remark in one thread and post it in another thread? Why are shoutboxes special? Is there something "top secret" about a shoutbox?</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/53767-kt1"> <em>KT1</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>It is inappropriate because it is usually done for negative purposes and the users in the shouts are not there to comment.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305267">[quote KT1]Yes. No.[/quote]would you please clarify what you mean with these two words?</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/53767-kt1"> <em>KT1</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>I am answering your questions.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305270">OK Thank you for that very lucid clarification. :) nmw</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/53767-kt1"> <em>KT1</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>Answering yes or no questions with yes or no is as clear as it gets.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305272">Answering yes or no questions with yes or no is as clear as it gets.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>It's very cute the way you ban my account one minute, give a response, and then a couple minutes later unban my account again.</p><p>Perhaps that will <i><b>help</b></i> this thread from drifting off topic -- as I have been known to sometimes drift....</p><p>So the way I understand it now is that shoutboxes are now useless -- they are only for thugs to shout at each other in a negative manner. Have I understood that correctly?</p><p>At any rate, I feel a prohibition on quoting each other is something I might expect in a totalitarian state (or something like that) -- and since I am more accustomed to scholarly discussion, I will have no part in that.</p> <p>Thank you again for you "as clear as it gets" clarification.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305285">It's very cute the way you ban my account one minute, give a response, and then a couple minutes later unban my account again. Perhaps that will &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;help&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; this thread from drifting off topic -- as I have been known to sometimes drift.... So the way I understand it now is that shoutboxes are now useless -- they are only for thugs to shout at each other in a negative manner. Have I understood that correctly? At any rate, I feel a prohibition on quoting each other is something I might expect in a totalitarian state (or something like that) -- and since I am more accustomed to scholarly discussion, I will have no part in that. Thank you again for you "as clear as it gets" clarification.</textarea> <a href="#" onclick="return false;"> <em>Anonymous</em> </a> <br> <small>2 days, 2 hours ago (3 hours, 55 minutes after post)</small> <div class="reply-text"> <p>xbox it over<br> dude chill down abit</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305291">xbox it over dude chill down abit</textarea> <a href="#" onclick="return false;"> <em>Anonymous</em> </a> <br> <small>2 days, 2 hours ago (3 hours, 56 minutes after post)</small> <div class="reply-text"> <p>i agree with kti</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305292">i agree with kti</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>Anonymous wrote: </strong><br>i agree with kti</p></blockquote><p>Good for you --s this a blanket statement, that also applies to all future statements that KT1 makes? Do you agree with KT1 about <i>everything</i> KT1 has ever said, or is there something in particular that you agree with KT1 about?</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305295">[quote Anonymous]i agree with kti[/quote]Good for you -- is this a blanket statement, that also applies to all future statements that KT1 makes? Do you agree with KT1 about &lt;i&gt;everything&lt;/i&gt; KT1 has ever said, or is there something in particular that you agree with KT1 about?</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>Judging from the lack of response from the above anonymous poster, I gather that he/she really doesn't really <i><b>care</b></i> all that much.</p> <p>As long as KT1 is willing to keep this post open, I would greatly <i><b>appreciate</b></i> your responses.</p><p>If you do not respond, then I will take that to mean that you do note care about whether or not I will be banned from help.com if/when I ever do anything that KT1 doesn't like.</p><p>So far, I feel OldFart is the only person who cares enough to have voiced his opinion that he is at least <i>concerned</i> about the whimsical nature with which censorship is being carried out on this site (and yes, I agree with OldFart that freedom of speech does not exist -- since otherwise your local library would probably have playboy magazine on their shelves).</p><p>What I am asking you to do is to consider whether or not you care about <i><b>my</b> point of view</i>. If so, and you want my point of view to be continued to be heard, then speak up now -- since it is otherwise quite likely that I will join the ranks of Henry David Thoreau.<p>:) nmw</div><p>
 
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<a href="http://help.com/user/109800-oldfart"> <em>Oldfart</em> </a> <br> <small><a href="http://help.com/faq#sect26">An Undisclosed Location</a> | 2 days ago (5 hours, 39 minutes after post)</small> <div class="reply-text"> <p>While I may agree with you on the way censorship is performed on this site there is very little we can do about it.<br> It's not our site, it's not run by us and we do not get a say on how its controlled.<br> (unfortunantly "when in rome").</p><p>We could always leave but that is of no real concern to the people who staff the site so it would be an idle victory, I have seen quite a few long term users move on and for reasons not that far from what you state here. It does seem like a numbers game, they are prepared to loose dedicated helpers as a trade off for general chat. Even this post comes under chat and not helping.<br> It's no secret that you will gain more people from chat than just question and answer helping and that will increase revenue.<br> The site is becoming more and more of a replacement for the school kids blocked sites and they come on here to chat because they can not get on bebo,myspace,msn,facebook and so on.</p><p>I know you are angry xbox and others have posted queries such as yours but the site is simply not geared to handle this type of debate. The knowledge base and support is just not there for it.<br> I would like to see the site get back to what it was originally intended for, helping people who have problems, worries and advice on things they have no knowledge of.</p><p>I was not around at the time of this site's creation but I am sure it was never intended to be full of such trivial questions (myspace/begging/I'am bored/insult trading). </p> <p>I am afraid I am in the `getting banned' catagory now as well, so you are not alone.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305338">While I may agree with you on the way censorship is performed on this site there is very little we can do about it. It's not our site, it's not run by us and we do not get a say on how its controlled. (unfortunantly "when in rome"). We could always leave but that is of no real concern to the people who staff the site so it would be an idle victory, I have seen quite a few long term users move on and for reasons not that far from what you state here. It does seem like a numbers game, they are prepared to loose dedicated helpers as a trade off for general chat. Even this post comes under chat and not helping. It's no secret that you will gain more people from chat than just question and answer helping and that will increase revenue. The site is becoming more and more of a replacement for the school kids blocked sites and they come on here to chat because they can not get on bebo,myspace,msn,facebook and so on. I know you are angry xbox and others have posted queries such as yours but the site is simply not geared to handle this type of debate. The knowledge base and support is just not there for it. I would like to see the site get back to what it was originally intended for, helping people who have problems, worries and advice on things they have no knowledge of. I was not around at the time of this site's creation but I am sure it was never intended to be full of such trivial questions (myspace/begging/I'am bored/insult trading). I am afraid I am in the `getting banned' catagory now as well, so you are not alone.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>Oldfart wrote: </strong><br>I am afraid I am in the `getting banned' catagory now as well, so you are not alone.</p></blockquote> <p>Thanks, Fart! ;D</p><p>So far, I count: Henry David Thoreau, You and Me.</p><p>Anyone else care to come out of the closet?</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305343">[quote Oldfart]I am afraid I am in the `getting banned' catagory now as well, so you are not alone.[/quote]Thanks, Fart! ;D So far, I count: Henry David Thoreau, You and Me. Anyone else care to come out of the closet?</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>Oldfart wrote: </strong><br>The site is becoming more and more of a replacement for the school kids blocked sites and they come on here to chat because they can not get on bebo,myspace,msn,facebook and so on.</p></blockquote><p>Hmm --nteresting "business model"... -- did a little test: I clicked on the "Save Your Relationship" <b>Sponsored Link</b> above ( <a href="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/iclk?sa=l&amp;ai=BfTm6TMtnR4vYNKjM4gG3m8SsCIuwnBq7w-n7A8CNtwGQkhQQAhgCIMbjtQYoAzgAUO-DhswHYJXSsYK8B6ABu9Pm_gOqAQxoZWxwLWNvbnRlbnSyAQhoZWxwLmNvbcgBAdoBLGh0dHA6Ly9oZWxwLmNvbS9wb3N0LzExODQ4Mi1jbGVhcmluZy10aGUtYWlygAIBqAMB&amp;num=2&amp;adurl=http://www.CatchHimAndKeepHim.com/20459/&amp;client=ca-cnet-help-content">http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/...</a> &gt;&gt; "landing page" = <a href="http://www.catchhimandkeephim.com/20459/?gclid=CJKIosz4sZACFQX5XgodD1uoGA">http://www.catchhimandkeephim.com/204...</a> ).</p> <p>The following is what I got (at some point in time, I expect that parents will begin to become concerned about the advice being offered at help.com -- so perhaps KT1 should <i><b>thank</b></i> me for raising such issues -- and/or thank <i><b>you</b></i> for explicating some of the more controversial points that I did not even <i>consider</i> before thinking twice about what you just said. I think the site management ought to be more <b><i>ethically</i></b> (or they may regret their apparent <i>lack</i> of conscience later).</p> <p>But perhaps your a right: perhaps they'll just knock us off instead.</p><p>=======</p><p>"You're About To Learn Secrets That<br> Most Women Will Never Know About Meeting And Keeping Great Men..."</p><p>Inside you'll learn...</p><p> * What goes on inside a man's mind... and how attraction works for him.<br> * How to "cheat-proof" your relationship... and why he might be tempted.<br> * The ten fatal mistakes to avoid that most women make with men.<br> * What to do if your man has a "wandering eye".<br> * The differences in how men and women think about dating... and why<br> most men want to keep you from being successful.<br> * The seven secrets to communicating with a man that will create lasting love and affection.<br> * The truth about men who aren't "emotionally available"... how to know if you've got one and what to do if you're dating one.<br> * The five things women do that annoy men and kill intimacy.<br> * The inside tips married women know about the tell-tale signs of a great guy.<br> * And you'll also get a FREE trial to Christian Carter's exclusive Dating Advice For Women eLetter...</p><p>Learn these secrets about men...</p><p>To enter the site, use your first name and a valid email address then click "Free Instant Access!".<br> (All information is 100% Confidential!)<br> First Name:<br> E-Mail: </p><p> We take your privacy very seriously. You can read our entire privacy policy here.</p><p>©2001-2007 Catch Him Inc, All Rights Reserved. By entering, you agree to terms and conditions found here. By entering your email address you are also requesting and agreeing to subscribe to our free Dating Advice email newsletter. You must be 18 or older to enter.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305357">[quote Oldfart]The site is becoming more and more of a replacement for the school kids blocked sites and they come on here to chat because they can not get on bebo,myspace,msn,facebook and so on.[/quote]Hmm -- interesting "business model"... -- I did a little test: I clicked on the "Save Your Relationship" &lt;b&gt;Sponsored Link&lt;/b&gt; above ( http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/iclk?sa=l&amp;ai=BfTm6TMtnR4vYNKjM4gG3m8SsCIuwnBq7w-n7A8CNtwGQkhQQAhgCIMbjtQYoAzgAUO-DhswHYJXSsYK8B6ABu9Pm_gOqAQxoZWxwLWNvbnRlbnSyAQhoZWxwLmNvbcgBAdoBLGh0dHA6Ly9oZWxwLmNvbS9wb3N0LzExODQ4Mi1jbGVhcmluZy10aGUtYWlygAIBqAMB&amp;num=2&amp;adurl=http://www.CatchHimAndKeepHim.com/20459/&amp;client=ca-cnet-help-content &gt;&gt; "landing page" = http://www.catchhimandkeephim.com/20459/?gclid=CJKIosz4sZACFQX5XgodD1uoGA ). The following is what I got (at some point in time, I expect that parents will begin to become concerned about the advice being offered at help.com -- so perhaps KT1 should &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;thank&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; me for raising such issues -- and/or thank &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;you&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; for explicating some of the more controversial points that I did not even &lt;i&gt;consider&lt;/i&gt; before thinking twice about what you just said. I think the site management ought to be more &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;ethically&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; (or they may regret their apparent &lt;i&gt;lack&lt;/i&gt; of conscience later). But perhaps your a right: perhaps they'll just knock us off instead. ======= "You're About To Learn Secrets That Most Women Will Never Know About Meeting And Keeping Great Men..." Inside you'll learn... * What goes on inside a man's mind... and how attraction works for him. * How to "cheat-proof" your relationship... and why he might be tempted. * The ten fatal mistakes to avoid that most women make with men. * What to do if your man has a "wandering eye". * The differences in how men and women think about dating... and why most men want to keep you from being successful. * The seven secrets to communicating with a man that will create lasting love and affection. * The truth about men who aren't "emotionally available"... how to know if you've got one and what to do if you're dating one. * The five things women do that annoy men and kill intimacy. * The inside tips married women know about the tell-tale signs of a great guy. * And you'll also get a FREE trial to Christian Carter's exclusive Dating Advice For Women eLetter... Learn these secrets about men... To enter the site, use your first name and a valid email address then click "Free Instant Access!". (All information is 100% Confidential!) First Name: E-Mail: We take your privacy very seriously. You can read our entire privacy policy here. ©2001-2007 Catch Him Inc, All Rights Reserved. By entering, you agree to terms and conditions found here. By entering your email address you are also requesting and agreeing to subscribe to our free Dating Advice email newsletter. You must be 18 or older to enter.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>xbox wrote: </strong><br>I think the site management ought to be more <b><i>ethically</i></b> </p></blockquote> <p>I meant: "ethically responsible".</p><p>And the "Save Your Relationship" ads by Google link is above the "Reply" box (which is my perspective as I am writing this -- but after I've posted this reply I guess it's "below" ;)</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305366">[quote xbox]I think the site management ought to be more &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;ethically&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; [/quote]I meant: "ethically responsible". And the "Save Your Relationship" ads by Google link is above the Reply box (which is my perspective as I am writing this -- but after I've posted this reply I guess it's "below" ;)</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/109800-oldfart"> <em>Oldfart</em> </a> <br> <small><a href="http://help.com/faq#sect26">An Undisclosed Location</a> | 1 day, 23 hours ago (6 hours, 27 minutes after post)</small> <div class="reply-text"> <p>The difference between you and them is these people pay to have these adverts on this site after that its all numbers.</p><p>The more people here then the more they can charge for the advertising space.<br> The number crunchers only look at hits not quality, the more questions asked the more the site will show up on search engines and then the circle is complete.</p><p>There is no room for ethics in capitalism I'am afraid</p><p>I need to go again xbox but if we get banned look for me on the sites I mentioned previously in the mean time I will add you as a friend and setup the email.</p><p>Good luck, I will look in again later.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305513">x, I think you are a great person but when you get a bee in your bonnet you don't let it rest. You were warned, simple fact, you were given more warnings than what mot people would get in the same situation, it states in the rules what you can and can not post and also admins have a little room to judge on what they can ban etc. KT1 has a tough job, dealing with this site is not the only thing she has to do and she is only doing what is required in her line of work. I asked for you to be let back after you were banned and I think that they were fairly lenient on you by letting you back so quickly so please don't let me regret sticking up for you by carrying on and causeing trouble..... incase you are thinking of doing that :)</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>})i({ ~LazyDaze wrote: </strong><br>x, I think you are a great person</p></blockquote> <p>Thanks for this Lazy --t's wonderful for you to say this :)</p><blockquote><p><strong>})i({ ~LazyDaze wrote: </strong></p><p>but when you get a bee in your bonnet you don't let it rest.</p></blockquote><p>I don't know what you mean with this -- want/need clear statements. Please say exactly what you mean, and don't beat around the bush -- this is too important to be wishy-washy in any way.</p><blockquote><p><strong>})i({ ~LazyDaze wrote: </strong><br> You were warned, simple fact, you were given more warnings than what mot people would get in the same situation, it states in the rules what you can and can not post and also admins have a little room to judge on what they can ban etc.</p></blockquote> <p>Yes, I have meticulously studied the terms of service -- and I think they are vague enough to justify virtually anything (I think we've been at this point in a discussion before) -- however, I don't think the TOS are even very relevant: if I get banned for slippery-slope reasons and a large portion of the membership objects, then the managent is in a precarious position. Here's a good analogy: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_parks">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_parks</a></p><blockquote><p><strong>})i({ ~LazyDaze wrote: </strong></p><p>KT1 has a tough job, dealing with this site is not the only thing she has to do and she is only doing what is required in her line of work.</p></blockquote><p>This is precisely what I have been saying all along -- KT1 should back off and let the members get more involved in making the decisions (and BTW: promoting transparency would also go a long way to building trust -- from this point of view, "someone complained" is <i>not</i> a useful construct).</p><blockquote><p><strong>})i({ ~LazyDaze wrote: </strong></p> <p>I asked for you to be let back after you were banned and I think that they were fairly lenient on you by letting you back so quickly so please don't let me regret sticking up for you by carrying on and causeing trouble..... in case you are thinking of doing that :)</p></blockquote><p>I am not thinking of causing trouble -- and I think you should know me better than that! ;D What I am trying to do is to:</p><p>1. clarify the issues</p><p>2. solve the problems</p><p>Maybe it might be neat to go "at it" the other way around. Here's what I mean: it almost sounds like I'm complaining. But if the issue is that there is some problem with me, how about if someone attempts to explain what my problem is (in a manner that I will be able to understand)?</p><p>I will say it again and again: I am ready and willing (and hopefully able) to listen to reason.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305555">[quote })i({ ~LazyDaze]x, I think you are a great person[/quote]Thanks for this Lazy -- it's wonderful for you to say this :) [quote })i({ ~LazyDaze] but when you get a bee in your bonnet you don't let it rest.[/quote]I don't know what you mean with this -- I want/need clear statements. Please say exactly what you mean, and don't beat around the bush -- this is too important to be wishy-washy in any way. [quote })i({ ~LazyDaze] You were warned, simple fact, you were given more warnings than what mot people would get in the same situation, it states in the rules what you can and can not post and also admins have a little room to judge on what they can ban etc.[/quote]Yes, I have meticulously studied the terms of service -- and I think they are vague enough to justify virtually anything (I think we've been at this point in a discussion before) -- however, I don't think the TOS are even very relevant: if I get banned for slippery-slope reasons and a large portion of the membership objects, then the managent is in a precarious position. Here's a good analogy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_parks [quote })i({ ~LazyDaze] KT1 has a tough job, dealing with this site is not the only thing she has to do and she is only doing what is required in her line of work.[/quote]This is precisely what I have been saying all along -- KT1 should back off and let the members get more involved in making the decisions (and BTW: promoting transparency would also go a long way to building trust -- from this point of view, "someone complained" is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; a useful construct). [quote })i({ ~LazyDaze] I asked for you to be let back after you were banned and I think that they were fairly lenient on you by letting you back so quickly so please don't let me regret sticking up for you by carrying on and causeing trouble..... in case you are thinking of doing that :)[/quote]I am not thinking of causing trouble -- and I think you should know me better than that! ;D What I am trying to do is to: 1. clarify the issues 2. solve the problems Maybe it might be neat to go "at it" the other way around. Here's what I mean: it almost sounds like I'm complaining. But if the issue is that there is some problem with me, how about if someone attempts to explain what my problem is (in a manner that I will be able to understand)? I will say it again and again: I am ready and willing (and hopefully able) to listen to reason.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/109800-oldfart"> <em>Oldfart</em> </a> <br> <small><a href="http://help.com/faq#sect26">An Undisclosed Location</a> | 1 day, 21 hours ago (9 hours, 10 minutes after post)</small> <div class="reply-text"> <p>I see we are still both here, could you check your shout box.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305637">I see we are still both here, could you check your shout box.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>I got your email, and I will simply assume that it's all explained in there.</p><p>Thanks, Fart! ;D</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305644">I got your email, and I will simply assume that it's all explained in there. Thanks, Fart! ;D</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/81607-jade"> <em>Jade</em> </a> <br> <small><a href="http://help.com/faq#sect26">An Undisclosed Location</a> | 1 day, 20 hours ago (9 hours, 19 minutes after post)</small> <div class="reply-text"> <p>This is one of the primary reasons I would not pay to be a member of this site!!! If you have an issue with a member of Help. take it up with them and only them. Don't air your laundry hoping to drum up support for your cause when it's nobody else's business.</p> <p>Now if you have a specifc concern that would affect everyone - then cite that...not the entire shout box.</p><p>IE: (and not necessarily on point) if you are being banned due to a point raised by an admin that is not specifically address in the TOS. Get your answer from either that Admin or seek a mediation with another admin on the site to resolve the issue.</p><p>JMHO</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305653">This is one of the primary reasons I would not pay to be a member of this site!!! If you have an issue with a member of Help. take it up with them and only them. Don't air your laundry hoping to drum up support for your cause when it's nobody else's business. Now if you have a specifc concern that would affect everyone - then cite that...not the entire shout box. IE: (and not necessarily on point) if you are being banned due to a point raised by an admin that is not specifically address in the TOS. Get your answer from either that Admin or seek a mediation with another admin on the site to resolve the issue. JMHO</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>Jade wrote: </strong><br>This is one of the primary reasons I would not pay to be a member of this site!!! If you have an issue with a member of Help. take it up with them and only them. Don't air your laundry hoping to drum up support for your cause when it's nobody else's business.Now if you have a specifc concern that would affect everyone - then cite that...not the entire shout box.IE: (and not necessarily on point) if you are being banned due to a point raised by an admin that is not specifically address in the TOS. Get your answer from either that Admin or seek a mediation with another admin on the site to resolve the issue.JMHO</p></blockquote><p>Jade, that may very well be the final solution -- perhaps I will simply be banned from this site.</p><p>If that doesn't bother you, then I can accept that -- because there may very well be insightful remarks from other members of this site (as long as they don't get banned, I guess)....</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305666">[quote Jade]This is one of the primary reasons I would not pay to be a member of this site!!! If you have an issue with a member of Help. take it up with them and only them. Don't air your laundry hoping to drum up support for your cause when it's nobody else's business.Now if you have a specifc concern that would affect everyone - then cite that...not the entire shout box.IE: (and not necessarily on point) if you are being banned due to a point raised by an admin that is not specifically address in the TOS. Get your answer from either that Admin or seek a mediation with another admin on the site to resolve the issue.JMHO[/quote]Jade, that may very well be the final solution -- perhaps I will simply be banned from this site. If that doesn't bother you, then I can accept that -- because there may very well be insightful remarks from other members of this site (as long as they don't get banned, I guess)....</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/138402-x-_-x"> <em>X-_-X</em> </a> <br> <small><a href="http://help.com/faq#sect26">An Undisclosed Location</a> | 1 day, 20 hours ago (9 hours, 50 minutes after post)</small> <div class="reply-text"> <p>I think the site needs to use its ability to mark a post as "adult" more often instead of closing it or removing it completely, because thats what its really about, kids seeing content that isn't for them. I think the site would be a better place if voting power was given to the users, instead of posts being deleted on the basis of "because I said so". I'm really tired of this "do as I say not as I do" mentality because I have seen mods be very rude to users, but when a user is rude to a mod, or another, user they are swooped down upon and banned just like that.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305691">I think the site needs to use its ability to mark a post as "adult" more often instead of closing it or removing it completely, because thats what its really about, kids seeing content that isn't for them. I think the site would be a better place if voting power was given to the users, instead of posts being deleted on the basis of "because I said so". I'm really tired of this "do as I say not as I do" mentality because I have seen mods be very rude to users, but when a user is rude to a mod, or another, user they are swooped down upon and banned just like that.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/81607-jade"> <em>Jade</em> </a> <br> <small><a href="http://help.com/faq#sect26">An Undisclosed Location</a> | 1 day, 20 hours ago (9 hours, 57 minutes after post)</small> <div class="reply-text"> <p>If you run the risk of being banned - then you need to find support for your arguements within the TOS. It really doesn't matter how much support you have from the members. What matters is the violation and if the action to ban is appropriately supported by the TOS. </p><p>I have had my issues with other members and with the admins when I first got here...not anymore. </p><p>As for conjuring up support, it's like a school yard fight, many will watch, many don't want to join in, and those that do usually don't fully understand the issues at hand from both parties perspectives so uninformed decisions are risked. Some will choose to support their friend for friendship sake but it makes no difference if the rules were broken.</p><p>xbox - a properly handled argument is based on facts, supported by documentation and won on intergrity. </p><p>As for the admins and the mods - tough job, not everything will always be spelled out in the TOS exactly. Their job is to monitor the site for the good of all the users and consider the wide range of ages, personalities, and 'free radicals' I certainly don't envy them. I have seen some instances were users were banned and I disagreed and made my voice heard quite loudly actually. The admin then advised that the user was only temp banned but in his defense he held the confidence of the matter between him and the user. That to me is intergrity and my hat is still off to him regardless if I agreed with the banning or not. </p> <p>I don't know the issues of why you are threatened to be banned...I don't want to know. What I care about is that if you are going to fight the fight, do it with dignity and fairness, and the site overall will be better for it in the end.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305700">If you run the risk of being banned - then you need to find support for your arguements within the TOS. It really doesn't matter how much support you have from the members. What matters is the violation and if the action to ban is appropriately supported by the TOS. I have had my issues with other members and with the admins when I first got here...not anymore. As for conjuring up support, it's like a school yard fight, many will watch, many don't want to join in, and those that do usually don't fully understand the issues at hand from both parties perspectives so uninformed decisions are risked. Some will choose to support their friend for friendship sake but it makes no difference if the rules were broken. xbox - a properly handled argument is based on facts, supported by documentation and won on intergrity. As for the admins and the mods - tough job, not everything will always be spelled out in the TOS exactly. Their job is to monitor the site for the good of all the users and consider the wide range of ages, personalities, and 'free radicals' I certainly don't envy them. I have seen some instances were users were banned and I disagreed and made my voice heard quite loudly actually. The admin then advised that the user was only temp banned but in his defense he held the confidence of the matter between him and the user. That to me is intergrity and my hat is still off to him regardless if I agreed with the banning or not. I don't know the issues of why you are threatened to be banned...I don't want to know. What I care about is that if you are going to fight the fight, do it with dignity and fairness, and the site overall will be better for it in the end.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>Jade wrote: </strong><br>If you run the risk of being banned - then you need to find support for your arguements within the TOS. It really doesn't matter how much support you have from the members. What matters is the violation and if the action to ban is appropriately supported by the TOS. I have had my issues with other members and with the admins when I first got here...not anymore. As for conjuring up support, it's like a school yard fight, many will watch, many don't want to join in, and those that do usually don't fully understand the issues at hand from both parties perspectives so uninformed decisions are risked. Some will choose to support their friend for friendship sake but it makes no difference if the rules were broken.xbox - a properly handled argument is based on facts, supported by documentation and won on intergrity. As for the admins and the mods - tough job, not everything will always be spelled out in the TOS exactly. Their job is to monitor the site for the good of all the users and consider the wide range of ages, personalities, and 'free radicals' I certainly don't envy them. I have seen some instances were users were banned and I disagreed and made my voice heard quite loudly actually. The admin then advised that the user was only temp banned but in his defense he held the confidence of the matter between him and the user. That to me is intergrity and my hat is still off to him regardless if I agreed with the banning or not. I don't know the issues of why you are threatened to be banned...I don't want to know. What I care about is that if you are going to fight the fight, do it with dignity and fairness, and the site overall will be better for it in the end.</p></blockquote> <p>Thanks for your remarks, Jade -- but I am not interested in "fighting". I would rather just leave than to fight. Aside from that, I feel this issues are addressed quite clearly in the post at the top, but perhaps it's only clear to people who work "in information" and/or "on the Internet" more/less full time.</p><p>Again thanks for your advice, but I simply do not feel it is legal matter or anything like that -- feel (much like OldFart and others) that the site only has value if the users "pay attention" to it (BTW: this phenomenon is indeed sometimes referred to as the "attention economy").</p><p>I acknowledge that you are trying to help, and I feel that is great!</p><p>Thanks!</p><p>:) nmw</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305812">[quote Jade]If you run the risk of being banned - then you need to find support for your arguements within the TOS. It really doesn't matter how much support you have from the members. What matters is the violation and if the action to ban is appropriately supported by the TOS. I have had my issues with other members and with the admins when I first got here...not anymore. As for conjuring up support, it's like a school yard fight, many will watch, many don't want to join in, and those that do usually don't fully understand the issues at hand from both parties perspectives so uninformed decisions are risked. Some will choose to support their friend for friendship sake but it makes no difference if the rules were broken.xbox - a properly handled argument is based on facts, supported by documentation and won on intergrity. As for the admins and the mods - tough job, not everything will always be spelled out in the TOS exactly. Their job is to monitor the site for the good of all the users and consider the wide range of ages, personalities, and 'free radicals' I certainly don't envy them. I have seen some instances were users were banned and I disagreed and made my voice heard quite loudly actually. The admin then advised that the user was only temp banned but in his defense he held the confidence of the matter between him and the user. That to me is intergrity and my hat is still off to him regardless if I agreed with the banning or not. I don't know the issues of why you are threatened to be banned...I don't want to know. What I care about is that if you are going to fight the fight, do it with dignity and fairness, and the site overall will be better for it in the end.[/quote]Thanks for your remarks, Jade -- but I am not interested in "fighting". I would rather just leave than to fight. Aside from that, I feel this issues are addressed quite clearly in the post at the top, but perhaps it's only clear to people who work "in information" and/or "on the Internet" more/less full time. Again thanks for your advice, but I simply do not feel it is legal matter or anything like that -- I feel (much like OldFart and others) that the site only has value if the users "pay attention" to it (BTW: this phenomenon is indeed sometimes referred to as the "attention economy"). I acknowledge that you are trying to help, and I feel that is great! Thanks! :) nmw</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/109800-oldfart"> <em>Oldfart</em> </a> <br> <small><a href="http://help.com/faq#sect26">An Undisclosed Location</a> | 1 day, 19 hours ago (11 hours, 7 minutes after post)</small> <div class="reply-text"> <p>You both make good points and I agree with both of you to an extent but I have started to notice that there are some strange goings on around here.</p><p>There are certain users who a rude nearly on every post they make<br> (very little is done)</p><p>Others may get a bit stroppy and then find themsleves with a shoutbox full of admins and mods.<br> (sometimes to much is done)</p><p>However to do anything with dignity and fairness requires all sides to be playing by those rules and it simply is not like that here at the moment.<br> I have stayed out of most of these arguments and Xbox was never a really a friend until a couple of days ago, I was about to get involved with one of his posts because the issue was important to me and then I found out he had been banned.</p><p>Whatever he had done in such a short time I could not understand because I have seen people here post really outrageous stuff and some of it really personal and when I found out what it was I thought it a bit petty.</p><p>I know he was warned many times but others are giulty of the same crimes and nothing is done, not even a warning!</p><p>I fear I may be making my way on to the banned list as well as some of my shouts have been removed (no explanation given) but to be honest the way some of the users get treated it is nearly impossible to stay off that list.<br> There just has to be a level playing field or all of this, all of this good work helping people is a waste of time.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305818">You both make good points and I agree with both of you to an extent but I have started to notice that there are some strange goings on around here. There are certain users who a rude nearly on every post they make (very little is done) Others may get a bit stroppy and then find themsleves with a shoutbox full of admins and mods. (sometimes to much is done) However to do anything with dignity and fairness requires all sides to be playing by those rules and it simply is not like that here at the moment. I have stayed out of most of these arguments and Xbox was never a really a friend until a couple of days ago, I was about to get involved with one of his posts because the issue was important to me and then I found out he had been banned. Whatever he had done in such a short time I could not understand because I have seen people here post really outrageous stuff and some of it really personal and when I found out what it was I thought it a bit petty. I know he was warned many times but others are giulty of the same crimes and nothing is done, not even a warning! I fear I may be making my way on to the banned list as well as some of my shouts have been removed (no explanation given) but to be honest the way some of the users get treated it is nearly impossible to stay off that list. There just has to be a level playing field or all of this, all of this good work helping people is a waste of time.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>Oldfart wrote: </strong><br>Whatever he had done in such a short time I could not understand because I have seen people here post really outrageous stuff and some of it really personal and when I found out what it was I thought it a bit petty. I know he was warned many times but others are giulty of the same crimes and nothing is done, not even a warning!</p></blockquote><p>I think I need to repeat myself: could somebody please explain to me what I have done that is <i>wrong</i>?</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305853">x, the only person who can tell you that is the person who banned you. I just don't want you to get banned for good, I know I could still talk to you via e-mail but still, it is nice to see your face so to speak :)</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/109800-oldfart"> <em>Oldfart</em> </a> <br> <small><a href="http://help.com/faq#sect26">An Undisclosed Location</a> | 1 day, 18 hours ago (12 hours, 1 minute after post)</small> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>xbox wrote: </strong><br> </p><blockquote><strong>Oldfart wrote: </strong><br>Whatever he had done in such a short time I could not understand because I have seen people here post really outrageous stuff and some of it really personal and when I found out what it was I thought it a bit petty. I know he was warned many times but others are giulty of the same crimes and nothing is done, not even a warning!</blockquote> <p>I think I need to repeat myself: could somebody please explain to me what I have done that is <i>wrong</i>?</p></blockquote><p>With respect to the point I am making it is only in reference to the TOS for the site.</p><p>You were warned many times about something that was deemed inappropriate (as I said I found it a bit petty), posting links to sites the admins did not agree with.</p><p>Essentially that is what you have done wrong in the first instance, although it's cleared up in this post I suppose posting shouts on the main page is a bit off but it is not mentioned in the TOS so I guess that is a bit vague.</p><p>It is not for me to judge you on this and I have stated my point and you know I agree but it will ultimatly lead to a ban, wether it is justified or not is irrelevant because if we try to do anything the ban will be extended to include ourselves.<br> I mean this post was closed and then re-opened, what message is that supposed to send other than confusion over their own TOS.<br> It sense it will be closed soon though because it is throwing up to many awkward questions.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305857">[quote xbox][quote Oldfart]Whatever he had done in such a short time I could not understand because I have seen people here post really outrageous stuff and some of it really personal and when I found out what it was I thought it a bit petty. I know he was warned many times but others are giulty of the same crimes and nothing is done, not even a warning![/quote]I think I need to repeat myself: could somebody please explain to me what I have done that is &lt;i&gt;wrong&lt;/i&gt;?[/quote]With respect to the point I am making it is only in reference to the TOS for the site. You were warned many times about something that was deemed inappropriate (as I said I found it a bit petty), posting links to sites the admins did not agree with. Essentially that is what you have done wrong in the first instance, although it's cleared up in this post I suppose posting shouts on the main page is a bit off but it is not mentioned in the TOS so I guess that is a bit vague. It is not for me to judge you on this and I have stated my point and you know I agree but it will ultimatly lead to a ban, wether it is justified or not is irrelevant because if we try to do anything the ban will be extended to include ourselves. I mean this post was closed and then re-opened, what message is that supposed to send other than confusion over their own TOS. It sense it will be closed soon though because it is throwing up to many awkward questions.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>})i({ ~LazyDaze wrote: </strong><br>x, the only person who can tell you that is the person who banned you.<br> I just don't want you to get banned for good, I know I could still talk to you via e-mail but still, it is nice to see your face so to speak :)</p></blockquote><p>Yes, that's lovely Lazy -- and somehow it's the sense I get reading between the lines, too. And in my mind I am indeed <i>totally</i> innocent -- and/but there is a caveat. When I recently tried out putting some "sponsored links" on a couple of my sites and saw what a negative impact they had on the community, I <i>immediately</i> pulled them off (I was also unhappy with them myself). And I have long known that these sponsored links are rather shady, which is one reason why I do not like that at all (there are other reasons, but those are more academic, having to do with information retrieval.</p><p>I am desperately trying to find better solutions. I find it abhorrent that these dubious links are treated like saints and I am treated like a sinner. IMHO the reverse would be far closer to reality.</p><p>But basically, my point is that I have great respect for this community, but I feel as though the site management were treating me like I am filth.</p> <p>:(</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305869">[quote })i({ ~LazyDaze]x, the only person who can tell you that is the person who banned you. I just don't want you to get banned for good, I know I could still talk to you via e-mail but still, it is nice to see your face so to speak :)[/quote]Yes, that's lovely Lazy -- and somehow it's the sense I get reading between the lines, too. And in my mind I am indeed &lt;i&gt;totally&lt;/i&gt; innocent -- and/but there is a caveat. When I recently tried out putting some "sponsored links" on a couple of my sites and saw what a negative impact they had on the community, I &lt;i&gt;immediately&lt;/i&gt; pulled them off (I was also unhappy with them myself). And I have long known that these sponsored links are rather shady, which is one reason why I do not like that at all (there are other reasons, but those are more academic, having to do with information retrieval. I am desperately trying to find better solutions. I find it abhorrent that these dubious links are treated like saints and I am treated like a sinner. IMHO the reverse would be far closer to reality. But basically, my point is that I have great respect for this community, but I feel as though the site management were treating me like I am filth. :(</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/64103-fizz"> <em>Fizz</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>I personally do not understand all the policies of this website, such as why personal email addresses are blocked if someone makes a choice to give out their email address, but regardless of why, it is within the rights of the site admins and moderators to remove things as they see fit. Frankly, it is much better then some spam filled sites that I have visited and at least they try to maintain the site and keep order.</p><p>I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with everything that is done by the admins and moderators, but again I will say that it is within their rights and if we disagree with the rules and policies of this website we are free to leave at anytime and go elsewhere.</p><p>Now it may offend you and I expect that it will sorry for that, but I have in the past noticed that some of the links that you have posted do not seem relevant to the post. Maybe it was an oversite on your part and not an intentional act, only you know that. But you pointed it out yourself, you don't get paid to post here and KT1, so basically whether you agree or disagree KT1 is just doing his/her job.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305873">I personally do not understand all the policies of this website, such as why personal email addresses are blocked if someone makes a choice to give out their email address, but regardless of why, it is within the rights of the site admins and moderators to remove things as they see fit. Frankly, it is much better then some spam filled sites that I have visited and at least they try to maintain the site and keep order. I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with everything that is done by the admins and moderators, but again I will say that it is within their rights and if we disagree with the rules and policies of this website we are free to leave at anytime and go elsewhere. Now it may offend you and I expect that it will sorry for that, but I have in the past noticed that some of the links that you have posted do not seem relevant to the post. Maybe it was an oversite on your part and not an intentional act, only you know that. But you pointed it out yourself, you don't get paid to post here and KT1, so basically whether you agree or disagree KT1 is just doing his/her job.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/53767-kt1"> <em>KT1</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>As simply as it can be stated, you cannot use our site to advertise or gather other people's personal information. Both your posts and a few shouts with others state that you were trying to get other people to visit your domain parking spaces in hopes they would buy them or they would visit them so you could make money. That is not and will not be allowed and if you persist, you will be banned.</p><p>No one is going to be banned for stating their opinion in a civil, professional manner. (Oldfart)</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305879">As simply as it can be stated, you cannot use our site to advertise or gather other people's personal information. Both your posts and a few shouts with others state that you were trying to get other people to visit your domain parking spaces in hopes they would buy them or they would visit them so you could make money. That is not and will not be allowed and if you persist, you will be banned. No one is going to be banned for stating their opinion in a civil, professional manner. (Oldfart)</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>Oldfart wrote: </strong><br>[quote xbox][quote Oldfart]With respect to the point I am making it is only in reference to the TOS for the site.You were warned many times about something that was deemed inappropriate (as I said I found it a bit petty), posting links to sites the admins did not agree with.</p></blockquote> <p>Right, I agree: it's more/less a value judgement... -- the value judgment of the admins. And in that respect (I'm going a little out on a limb here) this site is more about the admins than it is about us.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305881">[quote Oldfart][quote xbox][quote Oldfart]With respect to the point I am making it is only in reference to the TOS for the site.You were warned many times about something that was deemed inappropriate (as I said I found it a bit petty), posting links to sites the admins did not agree with.[/quote]Right, I agree: it's more/less a value judgement... -- the value judgment of the admins. And in that respect (I'm going a little out on a limb here) this site is more about the admins than it is about us.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>KT1 wrote: </strong><br>As simply as it can be stated, you cannot use our site to advertise or gather other people's personal information. Both your posts and a few shouts with others state that you were trying to get other people to visit your domain parking spaces in hopes they would buy them or they would visit them so you could make money. That is not and will not be allowed and if you persist, you will be banned.No one is going to be banned for stating their opinion in a civil, professional manner. (Oldfart)</p></blockquote><p>I do not <i>have</i> any "domain parking" spaces -- do you even know what domain parking <i>is</i>?</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305885">[quote KT1]As simply as it can be stated, you cannot use our site to advertise or gather other people's personal information. Both your posts and a few shouts with others state that you were trying to get other people to visit your domain parking spaces in hopes they would buy them or they would visit them so you could make money. That is not and will not be allowed and if you persist, you will be banned.No one is going to be banned for stating their opinion in a civil, professional manner. (Oldfart)[/quote]I do not &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; any "domain parking" spaces -- do you even know what domain parking &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt;?</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>Fizz, I'll get back to your point -- but it really fills me with anger to hear such groundless accusations. And to me it seems that Oldfart is indeed 100% correct: the site management is only interested in people <i>wasting</i> their time here.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305896">Fizz, I'll get back to your point -- but it really fills me with anger to hear such groundless accusations. And to me it seems that Oldfart is indeed 100% correct: the site management is only interested in people &lt;i&gt;wasting&lt;/i&gt; their time here.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/86236-i-lazydaze"> <em>})i({ ~LazyDaze</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>x, I am trying to keep up with this the best I can, belive me all this talk of domain this and that is killing my brain lol, but maybe the simple approach for me would be to ask this~ Is it al about the faxt you feel as though you have been ganged up on over something you feel srongly about and/or that you see no problem with?<br> Maybe if that is the case then we al have different ideas what is wrong or right, you may think that what you did was right but to others it would be wrong... (not being technical minded I have no idea what you did lol so don't shoot me for this)<br> So where in your eyes you have done nothing wrong, to KT1 you have done something unacceptable.</p><p>I think I got the idea from al of this that you were placeing links to a website that had adverts/sponsors on it that you wanted others to click so you could earn money from each visit~ is that correct or not?<br> If that is not right and you were not gaining money or anything like that then tell KT1...</p><p>I don't know what ese to say really, I don'twant to fan the fire by saying my opinions on all of this when I don't totally understand it but then I don't want to say nothing and see you getting banned over something that could have been saved.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305919">x, I am trying to keep up with this the best I can, belive me all this talk of domain this and that is killing my brain lol, but maybe the simple approach for me would be to ask this~ Is it al about the faxt you feel as though you have been ganged up on over something you feel srongly about and/or that you see no problem with? Maybe if that is the case then we al have different ideas what is wrong or right, you may think that what you did was right but to others it would be wrong... (not being technical minded I have no idea what you did lol so don't shoot me for this) So where in your eyes you have done nothing wrong, to KT1 you have done something unacceptable. I think I got the idea from al of this that you were placeing links to a website that had adverts/sponsors on it that you wanted others to click so you could earn money from each visit~ is that correct or not? If that is not right and you were not gaining money or anything like that then tell KT1... I don't know what ese to say really, I don'twant to fan the fire by saying my opinions on all of this when I don't totally understand it but then I don't want to say nothing and see you getting banned over something that could have been saved.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/83592-shizukosophie"> <em>-Shizuko....Sophie-</em> </a> <br> <small><a href="http://help.com/faq#sect26">An Undisclosed Location</a> | 1 day, 17 hours ago (12 hours, 58 minutes after post)</small> <div class="reply-text"> <p>KT1 is being very good with you Xbox....she does want to ban you and has reopend this post to allow you to get this isue off your chest and to make a point to other users.</p><p>A lot of users don't want you banned....please drop this and consider KT1's replys.</p><p>Let this post be the last of it....please.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305954">LoL Jade, yeah she is female, although when I first came here I thought she was female and then I heard someone refer to her as Ken, so I thought ooopsie she is male I got it wrong, so off I went thinking she was male untill I got pointed back in th right direction again lol So for now I think she is female :D</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/83592-shizukosophie"> <em>-Shizuko....Sophie-</em> </a> <br> <small><a href="http://help.com/faq#sect26">An Undisclosed Location</a> | 1 day, 17 hours ago (13 hours, 10 minutes after post)</small> <div class="reply-text"> <p>Some users think she is a robot.....</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305957">Ok KT1 - you have to monitoring this post - please satisfy my curiosity???? :)</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/109800-oldfart"> <em>Oldfart</em> </a> <br> <small><a href="http://help.com/faq#sect26">An Undisclosed Location</a> | 1 day, 17 hours ago (13 hours, 12 minutes after post)</small> <div class="reply-text"> <p>KT1, The reason I thought I was treading on dodgy ground was more to do with the missing shouts from earlier, because of that I assumed it was only a matter of time.<br> Forgive me for thinking this but in the past I have seen peoples comments removed and then they eventually end up banned and the community is left asking why.<br> I realise that some people make an outstanding case for themselves but when it's totally out of the blue it can leave you wondering what's the point. </p><p>What I have said on this post has been tempered because I was unsure how many boxes I had ticked on the road to getting a ban and there lies the quandary, there does seem to be different lines to cross for different members.<br> Surely if the poster has a good track record or very few complaints then you could just close/ or take down the offending post. Then put a more constructive point in the closing message.</p><p>I did not want to say to much as I did not want to join the ever increasing numbers of people forced away from the site or banned but it certainly feels like I am being backed into a corner and the choices are being made for me.</p><p>This question will keep coming up time and time again because of the inconsistency in regards to the points raised. I am sorry folks if this leads to problems for me as I am not usually this vocal when the site has nothing to do with me but I have seen things posted on here that certainly touches on what a lawyer would state as slander never mind the legal implications of some of the other points made by Xbox.<br> Having a disclaimer does not make any less devasting for the person directly affected.</p><p>I have nothing to fear as I managed 38 years on this planet without help.com (finally posted my age) and if this issue gets me into trouble then at least I tried to make it better.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305958">KT1, The reason I thought I was treading on dodgy ground was more to do with the missing shouts from earlier, because of that I assumed it was only a matter of time. Forgive me for thinking this but in the past I have seen peoples comments removed and then they eventually end up banned and the community is left asking why. I realise that some people make an outstanding case for themselves but when it's totally out of the blue it can leave you wondering what's the point. What I have said on this post has been tempered because I was unsure how many boxes I had ticked on the road to getting a ban and there lies the quandary, there does seem to be different lines to cross for different members. Surely if the poster has a good track record or very few complaints then you could just close/ or take down the offending post. Then put a more constructive point in the closing message. I did not want to say to much as I did not want to join the ever increasing numbers of people forced away from the site or banned but it certainly feels like I am being backed into a corner and the choices are being made for me. This question will keep coming up time and time again because of the inconsistency in regards to the points raised. I am sorry folks if this leads to problems for me as I am not usually this vocal when the site has nothing to do with me but I have seen things posted on here that certainly touches on what a lawyer would state as slander never mind the legal implications of some of the other points made by Xbox. Having a disclaimer does not make any less devasting for the person directly affected. I have nothing to fear as I managed 38 years on this planet without help.com (finally posted my age) and if this issue gets me into trouble then at least I tried to make it better.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/64103-fizz"> <em>Fizz</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>xbox wrote: </strong><br>Fizz, I'll get back to your point -- but it really fills me with anger to hear such groundless accusations.</p></blockquote><p>I'm waiting for you to get back to my point, but I hope that you take the time to notice that I did not accuse you of anything.</p><p>I simply stated an observation that I had previously made and I also gave and still give you the benefit of the doubt regarding the seemingly irrelevant links. </p> <p>You opened this up for discussion and invited me to this post, I certainly would hate to think that you are the type that would get mad because someone doesn't completely share your viewpoint. </p><p>I also hope that this difference of opinion does not damage our friendship beyond repair, but that is entirely up to you.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3305985">old fart ad another 30 then you reached slim ,young fart to me,anyway it is the owners of this site what have the rights to fire and hire what is and was the quarrel all about ? referrals to certain other sites are advertising though the owners look at this as a loss understandable i have been warned to because of personal accusations but rules are rules sometimes slim has to tape his mouth i like this side you get to know people there problems there wishes if xbox apologises nicely maybe the adm. is kind enough to join us again personally i think he was a good helper,lets see and wait.....</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>Sorry, folks -- had just got a call on the phone that was a little urgent. It's all OK, but that's why I haven't responded (haven't even read Fizz's first comment yet) -- so let me get back to it! :)</p></div><p>
 
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Maybe it was an oversite on your part and not an intentional act, only you know that. But you pointed it out yourself, you don't get paid to post here and KT1, so basically whether you agree or disagree KT1 is just doing his/her job.[/quote]Yes this is a very good point -- and I agree. And I am not questioning that the idea of site management per se. My point is more one of "how to work together" ("collaborate") instead of fighting. And I also do not expect that everything I ever do is 100% correct -- and I hope people tell me when what I have done is unsatisfactory or even just how I could do this or that better. I think that is what helping each other is all about: improvement, fixing things, making things suit the intended purpose. And so if it is really important to find a law firm in england, I think my offering that avenue to create a page for the purpose of finding a law firm in England is not really all that bad. Would it be bad if I earned money from it? I don't know. I don't think so -- is earning money a bad thing?</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>})i({ ~LazyDaze wrote: </strong><br>x, I am trying to keep up with this the best I can, belive me all this talk of domain this and that is killing my brain lol, but maybe the simple approach for me would be to ask this~ Is it al about the faxt you feel as though you have been ganged up on over something you feel srongly about and/or that you see no problem with?Maybe if that is the case then we al have different ideas what is wrong or right, you may think that what you did was right but to others it would be wrong... (not being technical minded I have no idea what you did lol so don't shoot me for this)So where in your eyes you have done nothing wrong, to KT1 you have done something unacceptable.I think I got the idea from al of this that you were placeing links to a website that had adverts/sponsors on it that you wanted others to click so you could earn money from each visit~ is that correct or not?If that is not right and you were not gaining money or anything like that then tell KT1...I don't know what ese to say really, I don'twant to fan the fire by saying my opinions on all of this when I don't totally understand it but then I don't want to say nothing and see you getting banned over something that could have been saved.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, that may have put gasoline onto the fire, so to speak. It is true that I asked for feedback in a different thread about how people feel about such sponsored links -- because I yet again went and tried to place some on a page (I have tried this before, but have <i>never</i> been happy with the results. This time I wanted to try something that people might be more prone to click on then simply text, but that was obviously not right either. And I learned alot from the feedback I got (and I tried to fix that problem ASAP -- hmm, maybe I forgot to go back and say thanks! for the feedback ;)</p> <p>Perhaps, Lazy, you've put your finger on a very significant point -- and that is that mabe it is simply differing perspective (I think maybe we've touched on a similar topic sometime before?): whereas the traditional publishing methods have been very much about a "publisher" creating something that a "consumer" buys, the internet has changed that dynamic quite significantly. For example, here on this site it is quite hard to identify who might be the "publisher(s)" and/or the "consumer(s)". From my ("web 2.0?) perspective, websites are more and more becoming forums for exchanging information about a topic. As such, these forums noremally have a code of conduct for interaction, and I feel that is also the case here. And/But yes, I do feel violated if/when a value judgment is being made and "imposed" upon me. And/But like Oldfart says, it <i>seems</i> like the only option that is available is "take it or leave it".</p><p>But I don't think that way.</p><p>If I unhappy about something I will not bottle it up, I will talk about it and try to find a solution that creates a happier state. I may not be a polished diplomat, but I nonetheless feel that talking about problems and trying to find solutions is better than the rule of absolute power. And this method of <i>interaction</i> is definitely a different perspective then unidirectional publishing.</p><p>Very good point, Lazy!</p> <p>:) nmw</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3306105">[quote })i({ ~LazyDaze]x, I am trying to keep up with this the best I can, belive me all this talk of domain this and that is killing my brain lol, but maybe the simple approach for me would be to ask this~ Is it al about the faxt you feel as though you have been ganged up on over something you feel srongly about and/or that you see no problem with?Maybe if that is the case then we al have different ideas what is wrong or right, you may think that what you did was right but to others it would be wrong... (not being technical minded I have no idea what you did lol so don't shoot me for this)So where in your eyes you have done nothing wrong, to KT1 you have done something unacceptable.I think I got the idea from al of this that you were placeing links to a website that had adverts/sponsors on it that you wanted others to click so you could earn money from each visit~ is that correct or not?If that is not right and you were not gaining money or anything like that then tell KT1...I don't know what ese to say really, I don'twant to fan the fire by saying my opinions on all of this when I don't totally understand it but then I don't want to say nothing and see you getting banned over something that could have been saved.[/quote]Yes, that may have put gasoline onto the fire, so to speak. It is true that I asked for feedback in a different thread about how people feel about such sponsored links -- because I yet again went and tried to place some on a page (I have tried this before, but have &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; been happy with the results. This time I wanted to try something that people might be more prone to click on then simply text, but that was obviously not right either. And I learned alot from the feedback I got (and I tried to fix that problem ASAP -- hmm, maybe I forgot to go back and say "thanks!" for the feedback ;) Perhaps, Lazy, you've put your finger on a very significant point -- and that is that mabe it is simply differing perspective (I think maybe we've touched on a similar topic sometime before?): whereas the traditional publishing methods have been very much about a "publisher" creating something that a "consumer" buys, the internet has changed that dynamic quite significantly. For example, here on this site it is quite hard to identify who might be the "publisher(s)" and/or the consumer(s). From my ("web 2.0") perspective, websites are more and more becoming forums for exchanging information about a topic. As such, these forums noremally have a code of conduct for interaction, and I feel that is also the case here. And/But yes, I do feel violated if/when a value judgment is being made and "imposed" upon me. And/But like Oldfart says, it &lt;i&gt;seems&lt;/i&gt; like the only option that is available is "take it or leave it". But I don't think that way. If I unhappy about something I will not bottle it up, I will talk about it and try to find a solution that creates a happier state. I may not be a "polished" diplomat, but I nonetheless feel that talking about problems and trying to find solutions is better than the rule of absolute power. And this method of &lt;i&gt;interaction&lt;/i&gt; is definitely a different perspective then unidirectional publishing. Very good point, Lazy! :) nmw</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/86236-i-lazydaze"> <em>})i({ ~LazyDaze</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>woo x, you lost me on your second paragraph, I have no idea what you were talking about and I will not claim to understand just to ease discusion, I read it all though :)<br> And I see it ended with good point, so I hope i helped a little even if I didn't understand 80% of that reply....<br> I think I will leave this post now because, really, it's a greater amount that I don't understand of it....</p><p>So, yeah, umm, Goodluck :)</p><p>(P.S, just to add another log on the fire I fanned, I think that you not useing shouts to make a point could be a little ummm childish? {sorry} I just like shouts even if they are not private they still feel more connected than an open space of a post, so you not shouting is only you and your friends looseing out, e.g I am one of them )</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3306125">woo x, you lost me on your second paragraph, I have no idea what you were talking about and I will not claim to understand just to ease discusion, I read it all though :) And I see it ended with good point, so I hope i helped a little even if I didn't understand 80% of that reply.... I think I will leave this post now because, really, it's a greater amount that I don't understand of it.... So, yeah, umm, Goodluck :) (P.S, just to add another log on the fire I fanned, I think that you not useing shouts to make a point could be a little ummm childish? {sorry} I just like shouts even if they are not private they still feel more connected than an open space of a post, so you not shouting is only you and your friends looseing out, e.g I am one of them )</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>-Shizuko....Sophie- wrote: </strong><br>KT1 is being very good with you Xbox....she does want to ban you and has reopend this post to allow you to get this isue off your chest and to make a point to other users.A lot of users don't want you banned....please drop this and consider KT1's replys.Let this post be the last of it....please.</p></blockquote><p>Well, I might be able to let some things be, but so could KT1 (i.e., if she indeed finds that the members of this site find nothing wrong with what I am doing). On the contrary, if there is something wrong with what I am doing, then I definitely want to know about it so that I can correct it (this is the interaction I was just talking about in reply to Lazy's post).</p><p>Please drop X (without specifying what I am supposed to stop) seems simply stifling -- and I have no interest in being stifled. I would much rather create happiness. Life is not about stopping, it's about starting -- like lazy "smiled" recently: "constant change is here to stay"! ;D</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3306126">[quote -Shizuko....Sophie-]KT1 is being very good with you Xbox....she does want to ban you and has reopend this post to allow you to get this isue off your chest and to make a point to other users.A lot of users don't want you banned....please drop this and consider KT1's replys.Let this post be the last of it....please.[/quote]Well, I might be able to let some things be, but so could KT1 (i.e., if she indeed finds that the members of this site find nothing wrong with what I am doing). On the contrary, if there is something wrong with what I am doing, then I definitely want to know about it so that I can correct it (this is the "interaction" I was just talking about in reply to Lazy's post). Please drop X (without specifying what I am supposed to stop) seems simply stifling -- and I have no interest in being stifled. I would much rather create happiness. Life is not about stopping, it's about starting -- like lazy "smiled" recently: "constant change is here to stay"! ;D</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>})i({ ~LazyDaze wrote: </strong><br>woo x, you lost me on your second paragraph, I have no idea what you were talking about and I will not claim to understand just to ease discusion, I read it all though :)</p></blockquote> <p>OMG, I read it again myself -- and even I had trouble understanding it! If/when anything changes on this site, maybe it could include the ability to edit posts (and a revisions history would be the "cherry on top" ;)</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3306140">[quote })i({ ~LazyDaze]woo x, you lost me on your second paragraph, I have no idea what you were talking about and I will not claim to understand just to ease discusion, I read it all though :)[/quote]OMG, I read it again myself -- and even I had trouble understanding it! If/when anything changes on this site, maybe it could include the ability to edit posts (and a revisions history would be the "cherry on top" ;)</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>})i({ ~LazyDaze wrote: </strong><br>childish?</p></blockquote><p>I AM NOT CHILDISH! ;D</p><p>No, I agree -- from the point of functionality I also find it to be a really cool feature. Perhaps I will "wait and see" if anything changes in the guidelines and/or TOS (specifically about the shoutbox).</p><p>And I do acknowledge not being happy about posting the shout trail without asking permission -- but KT1 also never asked permission to ban my account! ;P</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3306146">[quote })i({ ~LazyDaze]childish?[/quote]I AM NOT CHILDISH! ;D No, I agree -- from the point of functionality I also find it to be a really cool feature. Perhaps I will "wait and see" if anything changes in the guidelines and/or TOS (specifically about the shoutbox). And I do acknowledge not being happy about posting the shout trail without asking permission -- but KT1 also never asked permission to ban my account! ;P</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/86236-i-lazydaze"> <em>})i({ ~LazyDaze</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>LMAO x, what do you think will happen with you not useing your shout box?<br> Can I tell you!<br> A few friends getting worried that you are not talking to them maybe but other than that nothing, if you choose to not use your shouts it will not crash the system or anything quite so wounderous as that and I doubt anyone other than a few handfull of friends would notice (not trying to be rude, just stateing fact)</p><p>KT1 did kind of ask permission to ban you in a sence, I mean what do you think the warnings were al about? And I do wounder why you didn't ask her if you could copy the shout trail because you have copied mine in the past after you asking me and me saying yes, so it's not as if you didn't have the common sence to know that posting shouts without asking was rude, so my question is this, did you do that because you knew her answer would be no and also because you knew it would spark a new dissagreement?</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3306148">LMAO x, what do you think will happen with you not useing your shout box? Can I tell you! A few friends getting worried that you are not talking to them maybe but other than that nothing, if you choose to not use your shouts it will not crash the system or anything quite so wounderous as that and I doubt anyone other than a few handfull of friends would notice (not trying to be rude, just stateing fact) KT1 did kind of ask permission to ban you in a sence, I mean what do you think the warnings were al about? And I do wounder why you didn't ask her if you could copy the shout trail because you have copied mine in the past after you asking me and me saying yes, so it's not as if you didn't have the common sence to know that posting shouts without asking was rude, so my question is this, did you do that because you knew her answer would be no and also because you knew it would spark a new dissagreement?</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>No, Lazy -- hmmm... perhaps it's difficult for you to see what it feels like to be banned.</p> <p>How would you feel if KT1 said that it were not permitted to make funny posts?</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3306154">No, Lazy -- hmmm... perhaps it's difficult for you to see what it feels like to be banned. How would you feel if KT1 said that it were not permitted to make funny posts?</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/86236-i-lazydaze"> <em>})i({ ~LazyDaze</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>Yes, it is difficult for me to understand, to understand it I would have to of been banned, but thankfully I have not yet, But I can only imagine how annying it must be and more so when you feel that you did nothing wrong, I am not being bias I can just see both sides.</p><p>And if KT1 said that posting things like my many funny posts was banned, I would first ask why,and why now but I would not go right ahead and post another one right after being told not too, I would most likely not post them.... Sorry if thats not the answer you were looking for, but that honestly what I would do.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3306159">Yes, it is difficult for me to understand, to understand it I would have to of been banned, but thankfully I have not yet, But I can only imagine how annying it must be and more so when you feel that you did nothing wrong, I am not being bias I can just see both sides. And if KT1 said that posting things like my many funny posts was banned, I would first ask why,and why now but I would not go right ahead and post another one right after being told not too, I would most likely not post them.... Sorry if thats not the answer you were looking for, but that honestly what I would do.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>})i({ ~LazyDaze wrote: </strong><br>And if KT1 said that posting things like my many funny posts was banned, I would first ask why,and why now but I would not go right ahead and post another one right after being told not too, I would most likely not post them.... Sorry if thats not the answer you were looking for, but that honestly what I would do.</p></blockquote> <p>Personally, I would first of all ask what might qualify as a "funny" post (or not). And the result of the discussion (so far) has been: whatever post KT1 thinks is funny would be grounds for banning the user, simply because KT1 thought so.</p><p>I'm sorry to be so blunt, but that is the way I see it (and I surmise a couple others see it that way, too -- even if they are <i>intimidated</i>, I have a hunch they do feel that way).</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3306174">[quote })i({ ~LazyDaze]And if KT1 said that posting things like my many funny posts was banned, I would first ask why,and why now but I would not go right ahead and post another one right after being told not too, I would most likely not post them.... Sorry if thats not the answer you were looking for, but that honestly what I would do.[/quote]Personally, I would first of all ask what might qualify as a "funny" post (or not). And the result of the discussion (so far) has been: whatever post KT1 thinks is funny would be grounds for banning the user, simply because KT1 thought so. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but that is the way I see it (and I surmise a couple others see it that way, too -- even if they are &lt;i&gt;intimidated&lt;/i&gt;, I have a hunch they do feel that way).</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/109800-oldfart"> <em>Oldfart</em> </a> <br> <small><a href="http://help.com/faq#sect26">An Undisclosed Location</a> | 1 day, 14 hours ago (15 hours, 28 minutes after post)</small> <div class="reply-text"> <p>I know some of you arrived late to this post and I see a lot of heat has left the argument but that is due to the whole post becoming one sided.</p> <p>There has been many questions put forward but I still have no clarity, some people pick up near instant bans (a few warnings does not compare to 4 or 5 complaints a week) while others seem untouchable.</p><p>I have not been banned, I have no idea what it would feel like.</p><p>I have had one warning, this was born out of anothers inability to spot sarcasam. I apologised anyway because it was easier than explaining.</p><p>While there are people who come on here night after night and throw insults about on a help site, it would seem irony is lost on the very same people.<br> I am dissappointed help.com I really thought something would have come out of this that may have helped improve the site and maybe cut out some of the rot.<br> I see now you have decided to leave this post to talk itself out and let it dissapper into the abyss. </p><p>I fear I may be right in the suspicions I put forward earlier on this post and the site is slipping towards another chat room rather than help site.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3306182">Well I am all talked out now lol, don't know what else to say. Don't be sorry for being blunt, blunt is a good thing on occasions as what is the point in padding out the same answer people will only get confused, I'm not offended by anything you have said I know everyone has thier own opinions and views.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/86236-i-lazydaze"> <em>})i({ ~LazyDaze</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>Oldfart, I think I agree with you on that, I do see some people that don't ever seem to get warned when they obviousley need a good talking too and others who genuinley didn't know what they did was wrong get a warning right off, and that I don't understand either, and there are one or two people on this site that I have no idea how they have avoided being banned 10 times over....<br> Maybe this site works on a "teachers pet" kind of scheme, you either have the qualities they like or you don't and if you don't then your on the hit list before you even put a foot wrong....<br> Who knows.... Kind of scarey though..... **peels eyes open**</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3306188">Oldfart, I think I agree with you on that, I do see some people that don't ever seem to get warned when they obviousley need a good talking too and others who genuinley didn't know what they did was wrong get a warning right off, and that I don't understand either, and there are one or two people on this site that I have no idea how they have avoided being banned 10 times over.... Maybe this site works on a "teachers pet" kind of scheme, you either have the qualities they like or you don't and if you don't then your on the hit list before you even put a foot wrong.... Who knows.... Kind of scarey though..... **peels eyes open**</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>xbox wrote: </strong><br>[I'm sorry to be so blunt</p></blockquote> <p>Lazy the apology was not directed at you (but rather was more general in nature).</p><p>I don't think you have done anything wrong (and I certainly wouldn't ban you -- or at least it <i>seems</i> beyond the realm of possibilites... ;)</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3306204">[quote Oldfart]I see now you have decided to leave this post to talk itself out and let it dissapper into the abyss.[/quote]sorry -- I couldn't resist! [youtube:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8Bweb1nJY4]</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/109800-oldfart"> <em>Oldfart</em> </a> <br> <small><a href="http://help.com/faq#sect26">An Undisclosed Location</a> | 1 day, 14 hours ago (15 hours, 51 minutes after post)</small> <div class="reply-text"> <p>If you are controversial and that attracts attention than you may find you have allies where you least expect (this post could be an example of that, as its the top post today and comes from a previously banned member and has been closed and re-opened).</p><p>This brings me full circle to the sponsored links argument, however if you are being negative in manner that hurts business then you may find yourself banned quicker than you can get a reason for.</p><p>And Xbox maybe you should have finished with saying to KT1....."now go away or I'll taunt you a second time"</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3306465">[quote Jade]Ok KT1 - you have to monitoring this post - please satisfy my curiosity???? :)[/quote]</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/53767-kt1"> <em>KT1</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>Not really... the ad policy is clear. <a href="http://help.com/faq#sect20">http://help.com/faq#sect20</a></p><p>The links the OP was using were flagged by other users as spam and they were in clear violation of the policy.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3306516">Not really... the ad policy is clear. http://help.com/faq#sect20 The links the OP was using were flagged by other users as spam and they were in clear violation of the policy.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/15253-k"> <em>k</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>Xbox, you realize that the links you post are called "Parked Domain Names." Parked domain names are used for advertising the sale of a web domain. They're not a reference source. So not only are they not useful they're advertising the sale of a product in a unrelated environment. Therefore, I shall stand behind KT1, on her decision for she is right in this case.</p><p>Now, I also do resent the fact that you believe we ban people based upon the fact that we dislike them. That is not the case and all bans are carried out following the Terms of Service you agreed to when you registered for this site. The existence of your account is proof of you agreeing to those terms. Therefore, we reserve the right to ban any user who violates those terms. </p><p>Xbox, I also do find your conduct towards KT very inappropriate. Not only do you disregard what she says but you talk back to her. She has been giving your straight answers throughout and you seem to want the answers you're looking for.</p> <p>I don't mean any disrespect towards you Xbox but it seems like you are making personal attack on KT. I will not allow that towards ANY member of this site. What you were posting was NOT helpful and was just ads. That's it. Stop trying to fight it. Please. You're digging your hole deeper with each attack you take.</p><p>I ask that you drop the topic and I do welcome your insights for towards other users that you're giving so generously.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3306557">Xbox, you realize that the links you post are called "Parked Domain Names." Parked domain names are used for advertising the sale of a web domain. They're not a reference source. So not only are they not useful they're advertising the sale of a product in a unrelated environment. Therefore, I shall stand behind KT1, on her decision for she is right in this case. Now, I also do resent the fact that you believe we ban people based upon the fact that we dislike them. That is not the case and all bans are carried out following the Terms of Service you agreed to when you registered for this site. The existence of your account is proof of you agreeing to those terms. Therefore, we reserve the right to ban any user who violates those terms. Xbox, I also do find your conduct towards KT very inappropriate. Not only do you disregard what she says but you talk back to her. She has been giving your straight answers throughout and you seem to want the answers you're looking for. I don't mean any disrespect towards you Xbox but it seems like you are making personal attack on KT. I will not allow that towards ANY member of this site. What you were posting was NOT helpful and was just ads. That's it. Stop trying to fight it. Please. You're digging your hole deeper with each attack you take. I ask that you drop the topic and I do welcome your insights for towards other users that you're giving so generously.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/141257-krgreene8"> <em>krgreene8</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>xbox wrote: </strong><br>I don't feel that this post has reached any "conclusion" -- and I feel that is perfectly OK.</p><p>"Today was good. Today was fun. Tomorrow is another one."</p> <p><a href="http://thinkexist.com/quotation/today_was_good-today_was_fun-tomorrow_is_another/202979.html">http://thinkexist.com/quotation/today...</a></p></blockquote><p>I like the quote..</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3306662">[quote xbox]I don't feel that this post has reached any "conclusion" -- and I feel that is perfectly OK. Today was good. Today was fun. Tomorrow is another one. http://thinkexist.com/quotation/today_was_good-today_was_fun-tomorrow_is_another/202979.html[/quote]I like the quote..</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/120518-hal9000"> <em>hal9000</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>xbox WAY TO GO !!! :)<br> it started with "Please stop spamming posts with URLs to fill in the contact form"<br> did anyone notice how many times the "URL" got mentioned in this post...<br> just how many people visited this "URL"... talk about creating traffic...</p><p>KT1, i don't understand it... u should have banned him the second he asked questions... i mean u did visit this "URL" !!! :(</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3306839">xbox WAY TO GO !!! :) it started with "Please stop spamming posts with URLs to fill in the contact form" did anyone notice how many times the "URL" got mentioned in this post... just how many people visited this "URL"... talk about creating traffic... KT1, i don't understand it... u should have banned him the second he asked questions... i mean u did visit this "URL" !!! :(</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>k wrote: </strong><br>Xbox, you realize that the links you post are called "Parked Domain Names." Parked domain names are used for advertising the sale of a web domain. They're not a reference source. So not only are they not useful they're advertising the sale of a product in a unrelated environment. Therefore, I shall stand behind KT1, on her decision for she is right in this case.</p> <p>Now, I also do resent the fact that you believe we ban people based upon the fact that we dislike them. That is not the case and all bans are carried out following the Terms of Service you agreed to when you registered for this site. The existence of your account is proof of you agreeing to those terms. Therefore, we reserve the right to ban any user who violates those terms. </p><p>Xbox, I also do find your conduct towards KT very inappropriate. Not only do you disregard what she says but you talk back to her. She has been giving your straight answers throughout and you seem to want the answers you're looking for.</p><p>I don't mean any disrespect towards you Xbox but it seems like you are making personal attack on KT. I will not allow that towards ANY member of this site. What you were posting was NOT helpful and was just ads. That's it. Stop trying to fight it. Please. You're digging your hole deeper with each attack you take.</p><p>I ask that you drop the topic and I do welcome your insights for towards other users that you're giving so generously.</p></blockquote><p>I get angry when people think they understand something they obviously know little or nothing about and then start pontificating or something like that.</p><p>One of the leading providers of domain parking is Google. Since you are obviously unclear about how domain parking works (or <i>doesn't</i> work), I suggest you try to contact a Google representative and ask them to explain it to you.</p>
 
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<p>It is not my job to explain technology that other people develop, especially when I think it doesn't really achieve very much.</p><p><object height="350" width="425"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/yHJMp5bz9u8"><param name="wmode" value="transparent"><embed src="118482-clearing-the-air_files/yHJMp5bz9u8.swf" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" height="350" width="425"></object><br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHJMp5bz9u8">Original on YouTube.com</a></p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3306848">[quote k]Xbox, you realize that the links you post are called "Parked Domain Names." Parked domain names are used for advertising the sale of a web domain. They're not a reference source. So not only are they not useful they're advertising the sale of a product in a unrelated environment. Therefore, I shall stand behind KT1, on her decision for she is right in this case. Now, I also do resent the fact that you believe we ban people based upon the fact that we dislike them. That is not the case and all bans are carried out following the Terms of Service you agreed to when you registered for this site. The existence of your account is proof of you agreeing to those terms. Therefore, we reserve the right to ban any user who violates those terms. Xbox, I also do find your conduct towards KT very inappropriate. Not only do you disregard what she says but you talk back to her. She has been giving your straight answers throughout and you seem to want the answers you're looking for. I don't mean any disrespect towards you Xbox but it seems like you are making personal attack on KT. I will not allow that towards ANY member of this site. What you were posting was NOT helpful and was just ads. That's it. Stop trying to fight it. Please. You're digging your hole deeper with each attack you take. I ask that you drop the topic and I do welcome your insights for towards other users that you're giving so generously.[/quote]I get angry when people think they understand something they obviously know little or nothing about and then start pontificating or something like that. One of the leading providers of domain parking is Google. Since you are obviously unclear about how domain parking works (or &lt;i&gt;doesn't&lt;/i&gt; work), I suggest you try to contact a Google representative and ask them to explain it to you. It is not my job to explain technology that other people develop, especially when I think it doesn't really achieve very much. [youtube:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHJMp5bz9u8]</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>k wrote: </strong><br>I also do resent the fact that you believe we ban people based upon the fact that we dislike them.</p></blockquote><p>AFAIK, I have never said anything of the sort -- please check the facts.</p> <p>:(</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3306864">[quote k]I also do resent the fact that you believe we ban people based upon the fact that we dislike them.[/quote]AFAIK, I have never said anything of the sort -- please check the facts. :(</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>k wrote: </strong><br>you disregard what she says but you talk back to her</p></blockquote><p>Again: <b>utter nonsense</b> #NAME? attention to what she say. On the contrary, I pay very close attention to what she says. Indeed: that is why I started this thread -- to get <b><i>help</i></b> from people so that I might be better able to understand what she says.</p> <p>Perhaps you are disregarding my regard for KT1?</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3306871">[quote k]you disregard what she says but you talk back to her[/quote]Again: &lt;b&gt;utter nonsense&lt;/b&gt; -- if I were to disregard KT1 then that would mean I do not pay attention to what she say. On the contrary, I pay very close attention to what she says. Indeed: that is why I started this thread -- to get &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;help&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; from people so that I might be better able to understand what she says. Perhaps you are disregarding my regard for KT1?</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>k wrote: </strong><br>I don't mean any disrespect towards you Xbox but it seems like you are making personal attack on KT.</p></blockquote><p>My previous replies to your other points are evidence of the fact that perhaps <i>you</i> do not see things clearly. Before you accuse me, take a look at yourself!</p><p>:(</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3306881">[quote k]I don't mean any disrespect towards you Xbox but it seems like you are making personal attack on KT.[/quote]My previous replies to your other points are evidence of the fact that perhaps &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; do not see things clearly. Before you accuse me, take a look at yourself! :(</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/131207-sherryn"> <em>sherryn</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>Do you feel happy now you've had a little bit of attention?</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3306912">Do you feel happy now you've had a little bit of attention?</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/120518-hal9000"> <em>hal9000</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>didn't i post something here ????</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3306915">didn't i post something here ????</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>sherryn wrote: </strong><br>Do you feel happy now you've had a little bit of attention?</p></blockquote><p>I feel this question is off topic in the context of this thread (if you wish to pursue it further, then please start a new thread on the new topic you wish to raise -- perhaps adding a link to the new thread here in this thread if you feel that it <i>is</i> relevant to the topic of this thread.</p><p>This thread is about the censorshop of posts on help.com -- and perhaps also about the clandestine manner in which they are carried out. It is also about the active participation of the members of this site and about something that is sometimes referred to as the "attention economy".</p> <p>It is <i>not</i> about anything personal.</p><p>If, however, you feel that I am wrong about this, then I guess you could explain what you mean (as long as you are permitted to do so by the site management ;).</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3306918">[quote sherryn]Do you feel happy now you've had a little bit of attention?[/quote]I feel this question is off topic in the context of this thread (if you wish to pursue it further, then please start a new thread on the new topic you wish to raise -- perhaps adding a link to the new thread here in this thread if you feel that it &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; relevant to the topic of this thread. This thread is about the censorshop of posts on help.com -- and perhaps also about the clandestine manner in which they are carried out. It is also about the active participation of the members of this site and about something that is sometimes referred to as the "attention economy". It is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; about anything personal. If, however, you feel that I am wrong about this, then I guess you could explain what you mean (as long as you are permitted to do so by the site management ;).</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>hal9000 wrote: </strong><br>didn't i post something here ????</p></blockquote><p>yes, I see it --s something that matter?</p> <p>BTW (just in passing): Personally, I would not subscribe to your draconian suggestions. I feel simply extinguishing protest by brute force is neither good business ethics nor a sustainable business plan -- but of course you are entitled to your own point of view (but I do not really feel impelled to argue about it if I feel it is moot).</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3306921">[quote hal9000]didn't i post something here ????[/quote]yes, I see it -- is something that matter? BTW (just in passing): Personally, I would not subscribe to your draconian suggestions. I feel simply extinguishing protest by brute force is neither good business ethics nor a sustainable business plan -- but of course you are entitled to your own point of view (but I do not really feel impelled to argue about it if I feel it is moot).</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>After having "slept on it" and also after taking a walk outside (and getting some "fresh air" to think about the issue), I have come to the conclusion that this issue can be distilled down to the following question:</p><p><b>Which measuring stick can / should be <i>universally</i> applied to resolving the whether a link is labeled an advertisement or not?</b></p><p>So far (AFAIK), we have come up with 2 answers to this question:</p><p>1. presence/absence of "sponsored links" on the page (though that can in some instances be hard to identify)</p> <p>2. "amount" of non "sponsored links" content on a page</p><p>Let me use some site examples (these sites are <i>not</i> registered in my name (I have simply arbitrarily selected 2 top results for a Googe.COM search for "free"):</p><p>1. <a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/">http://www.thefreedictionary.com</a></p><p>2. <a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/">http://www.freerepublic.com</a></p> <p>With example #1, I find it difficult to assess which of the content might pass as "<i>sponsored</i>", versus which portions are deemed to be "<i>not sponsored</i>".</p><p>With example #2, I find the amount of data on the page to be <i>too much</i> for me to digest (pages like this put my brain into meltdown mode).</p><p>With both of these examples, I feel it becomes clear that the evaluation of content is a distinctly subjective opinion --n other words: <b>there is no way to make an "<i>objectively valid/correct</i>" assessment</b> #NAME? value judgment (it has also occurred to me that some people may have perhaps interpreted my use of the term "value judgment" as if I had meant a "value judgment of <i>my character</i>" -- however, I actually meant it to refer to a "value judgment of <i>information</i>" [i.e., information available on the internet]).</p><p>Now if this were my personal website, and I don't like websites with "too much information", then I could simply say that I wouldn't allow any links to websites with "too much information". Likewise, if this were KT1's website, then she could simply say that she wouldn't allow any links to websites with "not enough information". In such cases, the result would simply be either <i>my opinion</i> or <i>KT1's opinion</i> (that is what I meant when I said above that the result for <i>this</i> site would be more about the person/s who is/are "gardening" the website than about the community which is participating here).</p> <p>If, on the other hand, the focus is more on what is important to the community of participants, then IMHO there needs to be less emphasis on personal value judgments and more emphasis on methods of "gardening" the website that involve more community participation.</p><p>And I also feel I need to reiterate how important I feel it is that such methods need to be <b>transparent</b> to the entire community's membership, and not hidden in some clandestine underground dungeon or "shouting chamber".</p><p>I feel this has been my point of view all along -- and so far I have not learned anything that would convince me that another approach would be better.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3307072">After having "slept on it" and also after taking a walk outside (and getting some "fresh air" to think about the issue), I have come to the conclusion that this issue can be distilled down to the following question: &lt;b&gt;Which measuring stick can / should be &lt;i&gt;universally&lt;/i&gt; applied to resolving the whether a link is labeled an advertisement or not?&lt;/b&gt; So far (AFAIK), we have come up with 2 answers to this question: 1. presence/absence of "sponsored links" on the page (though that can in some instances be hard to identify) 2. "amount" of non "sponsored links" content on a page Let me use some site examples (these sites are &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; registered in my name (I have simply arbitrarily selected 2 top results for a Googe.COM search for "free"): 1. http://www.thefreedictionary.com 2. http://www.freerepublic.com With example #1, I find it difficult to assess which of the content might pass as "&lt;i&gt;sponsored&lt;/i&gt;", versus which portions are deemed to be "&lt;i&gt;not sponsored&lt;/i&gt;". With example #2, I find the amount of data on the page to be &lt;i&gt;too much&lt;/i&gt; for me to digest (pages like this put my brain into meltdown mode). With both of these examples, I feel it becomes clear that the evaluation of content is a distinctly subjective opinion -- in other words: &lt;b&gt;there is no way to make an "&lt;i&gt;objectively valid/correct&lt;/i&gt;" assessment&lt;/b&gt; -- and this is precisely what I mean when I say that it boils down to a "value judgment" (it has also occurred to me that some people may have perhaps interpreted my use of the term "value judgment" as if I had meant a "value judgment of &lt;i&gt;my character&lt;/i&gt;" -- however, I actually meant it to refer to a "value judgment of &lt;i&gt;information&lt;/i&gt;" [i.e., information available on the internet]). Now if this were my personal website, and I don't like websites with too much information, then I could simply say that I wouldn't allow any links to websites with "too much information". Likewise, if this were KT1's website, then she could simply say that she wouldn't allow any links to websites with "not enough information". In such cases, the result would simply be either &lt;i&gt;my opinion&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;KT1's opinion&lt;/i&gt; (that is what I meant when I said above that the result for &lt;i&gt;this&lt;/i&gt; site would be more about the person/s who is/are "gardening" the website than about the community which is participating here). If, on the other hand, the focus is more on what is important to the community of participants, then IMHO there needs to be less emphasis on personal value judgments and more emphasis on methods of "gardening" the website that involve more community participation. And I also feel I need to reiterate how important I feel it is that such methods need to be &lt;b&gt;transparent&lt;/b&gt; to the entire community's membership, and not hidden in some clandestine underground dungeon or "shouting chamber". I feel this has been my point of view all along -- and so far I have not learned anything that would convince me that another approach would be better.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/86236-i-lazydaze"> <em>})i({ ~LazyDaze</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>x, from what I can understand, people can post links to other sites that are relevent to what the post is about, I clicked on a link of yours and got allot of very strong pornographic images, don't know where that was supposed to come into the post topic but hey, done now.<br> I think that the issue is that you were posting links that took you nowhere other than a sponsor/advert that was of no help to others. So I can see why it was/is stopped as if everyone started doing that then no one would click on any links here as you would never know where you would end up and what you would see. The admins are trying to keep this place safe and they can't do that if they have to constantly check outside links to see if they are safe.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3307073">x, from what I can understand, people can post links to other sites that are relevent to what the post is about, I clicked on a link of yours and got allot of very strong pornographic images, don't know where that was supposed to come into the post topic but hey, done now. I think that the issue is that you were posting links that took you nowhere other than a sponsor/advert that was of no help to others. So I can see why it was/is stopped as if everyone started doing that then no one would click on any links here as you would never know where you would end up and what you would see. The admins are trying to keep this place safe and they can't do that if they have to constantly check outside links to see if they are safe.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>})i({ ~LazyDaze wrote: </strong><br>x, from what I can understand, people can post links to other sites that are relevent to what the post is about, I clicked on a link of yours and got allot of very strong pornographic images, don't know where that was supposed to come into the post topic but hey, done now.I think that the issue is that you were posting links that took you nowhere other than a sponsor/advert that was of no help to others. So I can see why it was/is stopped as if everyone started doing that then no one would click on any links here as you would never know where you would end up and what you would see.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, I am now beginning to regret having asked for the community's advice on the experiment I did with the sponsored links. But the thread <i>did</i> explain that it was about evaluating the efficacy of such "sponsored links" services. I don't know why I think they would be useful -- guess I was just having a bad day or something like that. At any rate, I tried to correct the mistake ASAP. Do think it is possible to forgive me for that mistake? I am truly very sorry about it.</p> <blockquote><p><strong>})i({ ~LazyDaze wrote: </strong><br>The admins are trying to keep this place safe and they can't do that if they have to constantly check outside links to see if they are safe.</p></blockquote><p>So does this mean that you would prefer a scenario in which the personal judgment of the admins "trumps" a method by which the community could be more actively (and transparently) involved in flagging inappropriate content?</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3307075">[quote })i({ ~LazyDaze]x, from what I can understand, people can post links to other sites that are relevent to what the post is about, I clicked on a link of yours and got allot of very strong pornographic images, don't know where that was supposed to come into the post topic but hey, done now.I think that the issue is that you were posting links that took you nowhere other than a sponsor/advert that was of no help to others. So I can see why it was/is stopped as if everyone started doing that then no one would click on any links here as you would never know where you would end up and what you would see.[/quote]Yes, I am now beginning to regret having asked for the community's advice on the experiment I did with the sponsored links. But the thread &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; explain that it was about evaluating the efficacy of such "sponsored links" services. I don't know why I think they would be useful -- I guess I was just having a bad day or something like that. At any rate, I tried to correct the mistake ASAP. Do think it is possible to forgive me for that mistake? I am truly very sorry about it. [quote })i({ ~LazyDaze]The admins are trying to keep this place safe and they can't do that if they have to constantly check outside links to see if they are safe.[/quote]So does this mean that you would prefer a scenario in which the personal judgment of the admins "trumps" a method by which the community could be more actively (and transparently) involved in flagging inappropriate content?</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/86236-i-lazydaze"> <em>})i({ ~LazyDaze</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>x, I forgive you :)</p><p>You seem to forget when you say things like "personal judgment of the admins trumps a mothod which the community could be more actively involved" that half of this community are aged between 13 and 18, I would not want a 13 year old to click on a link like you one for example and then expect after that child has seen adult content to flag it, and anyway when people see stuff like that they flag it, or should, anyway so we are doing our bit.</p> <p>Do you know, I have seen a day without admins and mods in here, and it was totaly scarey!!<br> I did not stay long at all, people were posting what the hell they wanted, rude, agressive, and dirty things, some were posting hatefull things about other members etc and in chat it was just a free for all argument that seemed very violent so to speak.....<br> So I do see what the admins do, and I wish you had seen that day as maybe you would not be so quick to say the things you do.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3307079">x, I forgive you :) You seem to forget when you say things like "personal judgment of the admins trumps a mothod which the community could be more actively involved" that half of this community are aged between 13 and 18, I would not want a 13 year old to click on a link like you one for example and then expect after that child has seen adult content to flag it, and anyway when people see stuff like that they flag it, or should, anyway so we are doing our bit. Do you know, I have seen a day without admins and mods in here, and it was totaly scarey!! I did not stay long at all, people were posting what the hell they wanted, rude, agressive, and dirty things, some were posting hatefull things about other members etc and in chat it was just a free for all argument that seemed very violent so to speak..... So I do see what the admins do, and I wish you had seen that day as maybe you would not be so quick to say the things you do.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/86236-i-lazydaze"> <em>})i({ ~LazyDaze</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"> <p>Well I have to go and get a shower and start doing some stuff around the house.<br> X, I hope you get what you are looking for out of this but I really do think that you are takeing this to far and seeing to much in this, you said it is not a personal thing but to be honest I think you are letting it become one.<br> This is after all only a help site, you really hate the way it is run so much then I am sorry to say, just leave.<br> I love this site, I Love the people and I agree with the admins, not on everything but almost everything, I can see why they did what they did, ok you are angry/annoyed but what is done is done and now you know so be a better person and learn from this.<br> I don't want to loose you as a friend I have your e-mail if you ever wishto talk but I can not see your way of thinking on this subject anymore, you just seem to be seeing your view and nothing else, your questions have been answered more than once yet you still state you have had no answer.<br> I'm going now, I hope you don't attack what I have said to much although I wouldn't blame you.<br> Speak soon x</p><p>Emily<br> xxx</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3307082">Well I have to go and get a shower and start doing some stuff around the house. X, I hope you get what you are looking for out of this but I really do think that you are takeing this to far and seeing to much in this, you said it is not a personal thing but to be honest I think you are letting it become one. This is after all only a help site, you really hate the way it is run so much then I am sorry to say, just leave. I love this site, I Love the people and I agree with the admins, not on everything but almost everything, I can see why they did what they did, ok you are angry/annoyed but what is done is done and now you know so be a better person and learn from this. I don't want to loose you as a friend I have your e-mail if you ever wishto talk but I can not see your way of thinking on this subject anymore, you just seem to be seeing your view and nothing else, your questions have been answered more than once yet you still state you have had no answer. I'm going now, I hope you don't attack what I have said to much although I wouldn't blame you. Speak soon x Emily xxx</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/109800-oldfart"> <em>Oldfart</em> </a> <br> <small><a href="http://help.com/faq#sect26">An Undisclosed Location</a> | 1 day, 2 hours ago (1 day, 4 hours after post)</small> <div class="reply-text"> <p>It seems you have come to a conclusion on this but for me it has exposed a side of this site that leaves a bitter after taste.</p><p>There were points raised during this discussion that were swept under the carpet and I do not think we will get answers for, I did state its not our site and we have to abide by the rules even if it is only a select few that have to follow them.</p><p>However for the rules to work the people who apply them have to abide by them first or all you have is anarchy.I have already mentioned some of inconsistances that go on during this post but I have had none answered.</p><p>I have usually came on here to help as best I could and reported what I deemed to be inapproriate, however the more the site descends into just another chat forum the more I see no reason to offer my help.<br> I seem to be coming on to report missuse and abuse rather than actually helping anybody, no matter how much I adjust my tags I come on to over a 100 posts and it has gotten so bad I just aknowledge all of them without looking then do a search for the few that seem to be genuine.</p><p>Sorry help.com but things are going downhill fast.</p></div><p>
 
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<textarea name="new_reply_text" id="reply_text_raw_3307083">It seems you have come to a conclusion on this but for me it has exposed a side of this site that leaves a bitter after taste. There were points raised during this discussion that were swept under the carpet and I do not think we will get answers for, I did state its not our site and we have to abide by the rules even if it is only a select few that have to follow them. However for the rules to work the people who apply them have to abide by them first or all you have is anarchy.I have already mentioned some of inconsistances that go on during this post but I have had none answered. I have usually came on here to help as best I could and reported what I deemed to be inapproriate, however the more the site descends into just another chat forum the more I see no reason to offer my help. I seem to be coming on to report missuse and abuse rather than actually helping anybody, no matter how much I adjust my tags I come on to over a 100 posts and it has gotten so bad I just aknowledge all of them without looking then do a search for the few that seem to be genuine. Sorry help.com but things are going downhill fast.</textarea> <a href="http://help.com/user/118278-xbox"> <em>xbox</em> </a> <br> <div class="reply-text"><blockquote><p><strong>})i({ ~LazyDaze wrote: </strong><br>Well I have to go and get a shower and start doing some stuff around the house.<br> X, I hope you get what you are looking for out of this but I really do think that you are takeing this to far and seeing to much in this, you said it is not a personal thing but to be honest I think you are letting it become one.<br> This is after all only a help site, you really hate the way it is run so much then I am sorry to say, just leave.<br> I love this site, I Love the people and I agree with the admins, not on everything but almost everything, I can see why they did what they did, ok you are angry/annoyed but what is done is done and now you know so be a better person and learn from this.<br> I don't want to loose you as a friend I have your e-mail if you ever wishto talk but I can not see your way of thinking on this subject anymore, you just seem to be seeing your view and nothing else, your questions have been answered more than once yet you still state you have had no answer.<br> I'm going now, I hope you don't attack what I have said to much although I wouldn't blame you.<br> Speak soon x</p><p>Emily<br> xxx</p></blockquote><p>Emily, you say: "I agree with the admins" -- someone else above said the much the same thing, and I feel that my reply will fall much the same way: is this a blanket statement that extends to everything any admin might have said or will say in the future? You may not have intended it that way, but now that "the ink has dried", that's the way it will stand until time immemorial (or until some admin decides to wipe out this thread -- just something to <i>think</i> about ;)</p> <p>If you feel that if/when an admin bans my account on this site, that it was my decision to "leave"... -- then I feel (IMHO) that that is a little bit of a "<i>quirky</i>" perspective. But I guess it's your right to think whatever you like -- after all: it's <i>your</i> head, right?</p><p>;D nmw</p></div><p>
 
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Company Name

Finder, Inc

Company Contact

phone: 415 344 2000,123 123 1234
email:

Website Analysis

Domain Whois

Powered by who.is

Page Type

This page is about a company.

Title

Help.com

Description

The help.com website is supposed to be about giving & receiving (in other words: exchanging) help.

It seems to be 100% supported by sponsored links which are placed automatically and targeted to match the keywords contained in the problem solving discussion / comments written by the participants.

Languages

English

Address

150 Chestnut Street
USA

Contact

Finder, Inc
415 344 2000 123 123 1234

Additional Information

Community Review

2007/01/10

As noted below ( http://www.aboutus.org/Help.com#2008.2F01.2F02 ), the discussion in mid-December (which had been closed by the site admins), has apparently been deleted. An archived copy is still available at http://asinine.ws/clearing-the-air.html . I have tried to post the text here, but the discussion is quite long and it is difficult to include it here (because help.com uses rather intricate formatting code).

Now a new discussion has been started which is related to the censorship issue (primarily focusing on "moderation" (even though that is combined with the issue of "subscription", the primary focus [IMHO] is on moderation).

I have now simply copied the text as of last evening and include a copy of this text (unformatted) here. To see the updated version (including all further edits), please visit http://help.com/post/123552-helpcom (note, however, that this text copy includes some comments which have in the meantime been deleted -- again: due to "moderation" [aka "censorship"]):


Help.com?

~Adjustment~

If Help.com was no longer free, would you pay? How much would you pay for a monthly fee? If you wouldn’t pay to come here, why?

OR

Would it be better if before you could reply or post anything you had to have a registered account, rather then being able to post and reply like it is at the moment where you do not have to register?

OR

Would it be better to have more mods with more abilities to be able to keep the trouble causers to minimum?

    • Just random thoughts, No need to panic as this is just pure fiction, just interested to know :)**

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yeah i would pay i suppose im not sure how much i enjoy coming on here to help people and to have people help me Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators yeah i would pay i suppose im not sure how much i enjoy coming on here to help people and to have people help me })i({ ~LazyDaze online Verified User (7 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 491 Add Friend # Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 10 hours, 36 minutes ago (4 minutes after post)

Yay… I would pay too :)

I think something like $7 a month, something simple like that, which is about £3 ish. I think it would help towards costs of running the place and also keep people who are not serious about this place out, like the people who just come here to cause a fight and then leave, would they still pay to come and do that? Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators Yay... I would pay too :) I think something like $7 a month, something simple like that, which is about £3 ish. I think it would help towards costs of running the place and also keep people who are not serious about this place out, like the people who just come here to cause a fight and then leave, would they still pay to come and do that? sherryn offline Verified User (1 month, 3 weeks) Shouts: 27 Add Friend # Brookdale, 08, AU | 10 hours, 32 minutes ago (9 minutes after post)

I would pay $7 a month I guess, but how is the question? I have no credit card and paypal is a mystery to me. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators I would pay $7 a month I guess, but how is the question? I have no credit card and paypal is a mystery to me. Help me with: Why do women put up with so much from men? pinknfluffy198 online Verified User (4 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 Add Friend # Belvedere, A6, GB | 10 hours, 31 minutes ago (9 minutes after post)

I wouldn’t pay because help shouldn’t come with a price. Help should be totally free. Why pay for advice? It’s a horrid way of making money! Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators I wouldn't pay because help shouldn't come with a price. Help should be totally free. Why pay for advice? It's a horrid way of making money! Help me with: My past is stopping me from moving on. Anonymous # 10 hours, 30 minutes ago (11 minutes after post)

yeah but i know where lazydaze is coming from it would keep away the people who just come on here to cause a fight ect…. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators yeah but i know where lazydaze is coming from it would keep away the people who just come on here to cause a fight ect.... })i({ ~LazyDaze online Verified User (7 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 491 Add Friend # Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 10 hours, 27 minutes ago (13 minutes after post)

Ahh see I didn’t think of it like that, paying for the help, I was thinking more of paying for the place your in to get the help and keep th place going, thats all… But then i suppose it would be paying for help and that should be free.. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators Ahh see I didn't think of it like that, paying for the help, I was thinking more of paying for the place your in to get the help and keep th place going, thats all... But then i suppose it would be paying for help and that should be free.. pinknfluffy198 online Verified User (4 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 Add Friend # Belvedere, A6, GB | 10 hours, 27 minutes ago (14 minutes after post)

You’d think but people would pay just to have there opinion heard! The problem wont go. That’s what admins and mods are for. They supposed to get rid of people like that. If there was a charge involved there wouldn’t be much the admins and mods could do. After all, all the help.com people are paying customers! Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators You'd think but people would pay just to have there opinion heard! The problem wont go. That's what admins and mods are for. They supposed to get rid of people like that. If there was a charge involved there wouldn't be much the admins and mods could do. After all, all the help.com people are paying customers! Help me with: My past is stopping me from moving on. [c/000~~Confused~~00 offline Verified User (1 week, 2 days) Shouts: 4 Add Friend # Dubai, 03, AE | 10 hours, 26 minutes ago (14 minutes after post)

i think i would pay because before i discoverd help.com on my free time there was really nothing to do so i think i would pay Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators i think i would pay because before i discoverd help.com on my free time there was really nothing to do so i think i would pay pinknfluffy198 online Verified User (4 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 Add Friend # Belvedere, A6, GB | 10 hours, 25 minutes ago (15 minutes after post) 

   pinknfluffy198 wrote:
   You’d think but people would pay just to have there opinion heard! The problem wont go. That’s what admins and mods are for. They supposed to get rid of people like that. If there was a charge involved there wouldn’t be much the admins and mods could do. After all, all the help.com people are paying customers!

Or rather would be paying customers if a charge was involved :-p Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators [quote pinknfluffy198]You'd think but people would pay just to have there opinion heard! The problem wont go. That's what admins and mods are for. They supposed to get rid of people like that. If there was a charge involved there wouldn't be much the admins and mods could do. After all, all the help.com people are paying customers![/quote] Or rather would be paying customers if a charge was involved :-p Help me with: My past is stopping me from moving on. })i({ ~LazyDaze online Verified User (7 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 491 Add Friend # Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 10 hours, 25 minutes ago (15 minutes after post)

You can get banned from anywhere if you cause trouble doesn’t matter if you pay or not, online and reality. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators You can get banned from anywhere if you cause trouble doesn't matter if you pay or not, online and reality. Anonymous # 10 hours, 24 minutes ago (16 minutes after post)

lazydaze have you had trouble on here then? Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators lazydaze have you had trouble on here then? Anonymous # 10 hours, 24 minutes ago (17 minutes after post)

i will say i have been on here for about 7mths and have had none. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators i will say i have been on here for about 7mths and have had none. })i({ ~LazyDaze online Verified User (7 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 491 Add Friend # Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 10 hours, 23 minutes ago (18 minutes after post)

A little trouble with people who come in and abuse the site and then never come back, had a few call names and try to start arguments etc but thats about it, I have seen worse happen to other people and thats where I think a fee would eliminate most of the trouble makers Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators A little trouble with people who come in and abuse the site and then never come back, had a few call names and try to start arguments etc but thats about it, I have seen worse happen to other people and thats where I think a fee would eliminate most of the trouble makers Anonymous # 10 hours, 19 minutes ago (21 minutes after post)

yeah your probably right… Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators yeah your probably right... Anonymous # 10 hours, 13 minutes ago (27 minutes after post)

please dont say wed ever have to pay lol id die literally die lol cause i hate payin for anything and i love this help site lol Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators please dont say wed ever have to pay lol id die literally die lol cause i hate payin for anything and i love this help site lol paranoiaman offline Verified User (1 month) Shouts: 20 Add Friend # Falkirk, U9, GB | 10 hours, 11 minutes ago (30 minutes after post)

Wouldn’t it also keep away people who really needed the help, but didn’t have the ability to pay. There seem to be rather a lot of kids come on here looking for help and advice. As well as keeping away the troublemakers, it would also things more difficult for some of the people who need help the most. Not everyone on here has a credit/debit card or a paypal account, after all. You’re always going to get a**h*les on here, fee-paying or not. Just as in life outside the computer screen. Ignore them, don’t try to chase them off with the introduction of fees. (1) Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators Wouldn't it also keep away people who really needed the help, but didn't have the ability to pay. There seem to be rather a lot of kids come on here looking for help and advice. As well as keeping away the troublemakers, it would also things more difficult for some of the people who need help the most. Not everyone on here has a credit/debit card or a paypal account, after all. You're always going to get a**h*les on here, fee-paying or not. Just as in life outside the computer screen. Ignore them, don't try to chase them off with the introduction of fees. })i({ ~LazyDaze online Verified User (7 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 491 Add Friend # Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 9 hours, 22 minutes ago (1 hour, 18 minutes after post)

Yeah can see what you are saying, not everyone can pay no matter the price, also not everyone would be willing to have it on a bank statement… Ok, bad idea then, was just a thought. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators Yeah can see what you are saying, not everyone can pay no matter the price, also not everyone would be willing to have it on a bank statement... Ok, bad idea then, was just a thought.

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   Help.com?

   If Help.com was no longer free, would you pay?
   How much would you pay for a monthly fee?
   If you wouldn’t pay to come here, why?

   **Just random thouvghts, No need to panic as this is just pure fiction, just interested to know :)**

raver.barbie online Verified User (1 month, 1 week) Shouts: 137 Add Friend # Tamworth, 43, GB | 9 hours, 21 minutes ago (1 hour, 19 minutes after post)

now that ive been on it i think i would if it wasnt too expensive. i live off benefits at the mo as im a student.

but if i had found it and saw it wasnt free i dont think i would of joined.

so it may seem good but i think it would prevent people from joining unless they were referred.

but for some of us help.com has give some people a purpose in life or a kick up the bum to get going.. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators now that ive been on it i think i would if it wasnt too expensive. i live off benefits at the mo as im a student. but if i had found it and saw it wasnt free i dont think i would of joined. so it may seem good but i think it would prevent people from joining unless they were referred. but for some of us help.com has give some people a purpose in life or a kick up the bum to get going.. Help me with: Im worried about my boyfriends daughter. })i({ ~LazyDaze online Verified User (7 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 491 Add Friend # Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 9 hours, 19 minutes ago (1 hour, 21 minutes after post)

OK, how about another look on things….. What if help.com satyed free, but you could not post or reply to anything unless you registered? If you had to register to make a comment or post somthing that would stop the people who come to mess around? Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators OK, how about another look on things..... What if help.com satyed free, but you could not post or reply to anything unless you registered? If you had to register to make a comment or post somthing that would stop the people who come to mess around? raver.barbie online Verified User (1 month, 1 week) Shouts: 137 Add Friend # Tamworth, 43, GB | 9 hours, 9 minutes ago (1 hour, 31 minutes after post) 

   })i({ ~LazyDaze wrote:
   OK, how about another look on things…..
   What if help.com satyed free, but you could not post or reply to anything unless you registered?
   If you had to register to make a comment or post somthing that would stop the people who come to mess around?

not sure…when i first found this site i didnt register till after my first post…which is lost in time somewhere now lol. but sometimes people are desperate…and find help.com and just want to tell their story. and when they do a lot of people register…and some people leave..so im not sure..

sometimes i take part in things and then it asks you to register and im like….”cant be aaaaaaarrrrrrrssssssssdddddddd” lol. so i close it. so im undecided on that one. what do you think? Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators [quote })i({ ~LazyDaze]OK, how about another look on things..... What if help.com satyed free, but you could not post or reply to anything unless you registered? If you had to register to make a comment or post somthing that would stop the people who come to mess around?[/quote] not sure...when i first found this site i didnt register till after my first post...which is lost in time somewhere now lol. but sometimes people are desperate...and find help.com and just want to tell their story. and when they do a lot of people register...and some people leave..so im not sure.. sometimes i take part in things and then it asks you to register and im like...."cant be aaaaaaarrrrrrrssssssssdddddddd" lol. so i close it. so im undecided on that one. what do you think? Help me with: Im worried about my boyfriends daughter. })i({ ~LazyDaze online Verified User (7 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 491 Add Friend # Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 9 hours, 5 minutes ago (1 hour, 35 minutes after post)

See I agree, I can see how others may have a problem with whatever way it works out, the thing is that the aim is to clean up the site and make it that little bit less uninviteing for the bullies to want to join in. I see it everyday on many posts, someone who has never been here before and willmost likely not come back wil say something to hurt someone else, that one thing they say may be forgotten in an instant to them but to the person they say it to could leave a wound that takes a lifetime to heal. Just wanted to think of ways to make it harder for bullies to get in but the honest to be safe… Get what I’m trying to say?

If this site was made safer from attack I would pay anything, but thats just me and I know others have it different, it was just a fictional question for a fictional answer really. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators See I agree, I can see how others may have a problem with whatever way it works out, the thing is that the aim is to clean up the site and make it that little bit less uninviteing for the bullies to want to join in. I see it everyday on many posts, someone who has never been here before and willmost likely not come back wil say something to hurt someone else, that one thing they say may be forgotten in an instant to them but to the person they say it to could leave a wound that takes a lifetime to heal. Just wanted to think of ways to make it harder for bullies to get in but the honest to be safe... Get what I'm trying to say? If this site was made safer from attack I would pay anything, but thats just me and I know others have it different, it was just a fictional question for a fictional answer really. raver.barbie online Verified User (1 month, 1 week) Shouts: 137 Add Friend # Tamworth, 43, GB | 9 hours, 1 minute ago (1 hour, 40 minutes after post)

if i had the money i would completely. but there are a lot of young people on here too and that may pose a problem.

I am sick to death of people who make personal attacks or try to start an argument. i believe at least half the members on here are here just to cause arguments.

like im in a big discussion in lil_bit_shi’s post…and someone comes moaning at what she’s saying, and i said ‘everywhere i see you you seem so negative and make negative comments’ and i then went on to say how we were trying to turn the bad experiences she has had into positive by doing something proactive. and then this person goes on and on and on…

things like that make me mad. now i tell people ‘Take it up with my shout box if you have a problem and have the curtisy* to leave this post for the discussion it was intended for’

(ps, i cant spell curtisy* lol, my minds gone blank!) Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators if i had the money i would completely. but there are a lot of young people on here too and that may pose a problem. I am sick to death of people who make personal attacks or try to start an argument. i believe at least half the members on here are here just to cause arguments. like im in a big discussion in lil_bit_shi's post...and someone comes moaning at what she's saying, and i said 'everywhere i see you you seem so negative and make negative comments' and i then went on to say how we were trying to turn the bad experiences she has had into positive by doing something proactive. and then this person goes on and on and on... things like that make me mad. now i tell people 'Take it up with my shout box if you have a problem and have the curtisy* to leave this post for the discussion it was intended for' (ps, i cant spell curtisy* lol, my minds gone blank!) Help me with: Im worried about my boyfriends daughter. jcd offline Verified User (3 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 Add Friend # Atlanta, GA, US | 8 hours, 59 minutes ago (1 hour, 41 minutes after post)

I, personally, wouldn’t pay. I mainly come here to help other people, and why should I pay to do that? I understand about keeping the ‘bullies’ away, but I think it would also keep some legitimate helpers away as well. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators I, personally, wouldn't pay. I mainly come here to help other people, and why should I pay to do that? I understand about keeping the 'bullies' away, but I think it would also keep some legitimate helpers away as well. Help me with: Is it just me, or do most of the mods here seem a little power mad and full of themselves? })i({ ~LazyDaze online Verified User (7 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 491 Add Friend # Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 8 hours, 54 minutes ago (1 hour, 46 minutes after post)

So the haveing to register before you can talk thing is a better idea then maybe? Rather than paying a fee? Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators So the haveing to register before you can talk thing is a better idea then maybe? Rather than paying a fee? raver.barbie online Verified User (1 month, 1 week) Shouts: 137 Add Friend # Tamworth, 43, GB | 8 hours, 50 minutes ago (1 hour, 50 minutes after post)

probably. because those who are serious about actual ‘help’ will be more likely to register i guess Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators probably. because those who are serious about actual 'help' will be more likely to register i guess Help me with: Im worried about my boyfriends daughter. jcd offline Verified User (3 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 Add Friend # Atlanta, GA, US | 8 hours, 48 minutes ago (1 hour, 52 minutes after post)

Registering instead of a fee would be better, but there is a problem with that too. Some people with legitimate (possibly embarassing, at least to them) problems won’t post their problems and ask for help if they couldn’t be anonymous. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators Registering instead of a fee would be better, but there is a problem with that too. Some people with legitimate (possibly embarassing, at least to them) problems won't post their problems and ask for help if they couldn't be anonymous. Help me with: Is it just me, or do most of the mods here seem a little power mad and full of themselves? Happiness Is a Warm offline Verified User (3 weeks, 2 days) Shouts: 5 Add Friend # Frankfurt Am Main, 05, DE | 8 hours, 47 minutes ago (1 hour, 54 minutes after post)


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Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators [youtube:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdxHdWQo5q0] :) Help me with: The Real Truth (the real story about Help.COM :) jcd offline Verified User (3 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 Add Friend # Atlanta, GA, US | 8 hours, 44 minutes ago (1 hour, 57 minutes after post)

Basically, you have to ask what is more important to the site:

Limiting access to keep out the ‘bullies’, but also keep out some people who need help with legitimate problems,

or

Open access so the site can help as many people as possible, but also have to put up with ‘bullies’ every once in a while.

Personally, I think the second option is better. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators Basically, you have to ask what is more important to the site: Limiting access to keep out the 'bullies', but also keep out some people who need help with legitimate problems, or Open access so the site can help as many people as possible, but also have to put up with 'bullies' every once in a while. Personally, I think the second option is better. Help me with: Is it just me, or do most of the mods here seem a little power mad and full of themselves? kerreb offline Verified User (2 months, 2 weeks) Shouts: 1 Add Friend # Whitehouse Lower, T1, GB | 8 hours, 37 minutes ago (2 hours, 4 minutes after post)

lol i completely ended up on this beautiful site m=by pure accidentas i was trying to override the proxy advoidnce on my colleges comp and i thought help.com sounds likea helpful address lol i thinki would pay now knowing how good it is but froma new person coming on of the info highway i wouldnt as i wouldnt know what to expect Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators lol i completely ended up on this beautiful site m=by pure accidentas i was trying to override the proxy advoidnce on my colleges comp and i thought help.com sounds likea helpful address lol i thinki would pay now knowing how good it is but froma new person coming on of the info highway i wouldnt as i wouldnt know what to expect Help me with: ok can people help me i currently have pinkish bits in my hair and i dont know wetehr to go pink again ,electric blur,or })i({ ~LazyDaze online Verified User (7 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 491 Add Friend # Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 7 hours, 22 minutes ago (3 hours, 18 minutes after post) 

   jcd wrote:
   Registering instead of a fee would be better, but there is a problem with that too. Some people with legitimate (possibly embarassing, at least to them) problems won’t post their problems and ask for help if they couldn’t be anonymous.

The anon function is not in question, you can be anon unregistered or registered so that would still be the same as it is now, just the fact is that you can still be on the site and look around just that untill you register an account you can’t reply or post… Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators [quote jcd]Registering instead of a fee would be better, but there is a problem with that too. Some people with legitimate (possibly embarassing, at least to them) problems won't post their problems and ask for help if they couldn't be anonymous.[/quote] The anon function is not in question, you can be anon unregistered or registered so that would still be the same as it is now, just the fact is that you can still be on the site and look around just that untill you register an account you can't reply or post... SARAH! offline Verified User (6 months, 2 weeks) Long Term User Shouts: 213 Add Friend # An Undisclosed Location | 7 hours, 2 minutes ago (3 hours, 38 minutes after post)

If I HAD to pay I would. But I don’t think it would be a great idea, neither do I think registration would work. What I think this site needs is more mods with more permissions, so that we can kick the trolls off before things get out of hand (as I’ve noticed they have been lately). But then you have the problem of people getting power hungry. (1) Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators If I HAD to pay I would. But I don't think it would be a great idea, neither do I think registration would work. What I think this site needs is more mods with more permissions, so that we can kick the trolls off before things get out of hand (as I've noticed they have been lately). But then you have the problem of people getting power hungry. Help me with: This is sad. })i({ ~LazyDaze online Verified User (7 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 491 Add Friend # Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 7 hours ago (3 hours, 40 minutes after post)

Yes Sarah, that is a much better idea, more mods with more abilities, maybe do like a weeks trial and see if they get power mad or not lol But yes, I agree with that idea totaly. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators Yes Sarah, that is a much better idea, more mods with more abilities, maybe do like a weeks trial and see if they get power mad or not lol But yes, I agree with that idea totaly. SARAH! offline Verified User (6 months, 2 weeks) Long Term User Shouts: 213 Add Friend # An Undisclosed Location | 6 hours, 56 minutes ago (3 hours, 44 minutes after post)

I think you would make a great mod here, since you are a decent person and are here most of the time :)

I’ve offered to be a mod, but no reply so I take it as a no :( Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators I think you would make a great mod here, since you are a decent person and are here most of the time :) I've offered to be a mod, but no reply so I take it as a no :( Help me with: This is sad. })i({ ~LazyDaze online Verified User (7 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 491 Add Friend # Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 6 hours, 52 minutes ago (3 hours, 48 minutes after post)

Aww thanks Sarah, many people have said the same, but Im just to scared to ask lol, I don’t like rejection but then I don’t think anyone does. It’s a shame you never heard anything back I think you would be great too, maybe ask again, I know they are looking for mods at the moment so you never know :) Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators Aww thanks Sarah, many people have said the same, but Im just to scared to ask lol, I don't like rejection but then I don't think anyone does. It's a shame you never heard anything back I think you would be great too, maybe ask again, I know they are looking for mods at the moment so you never know :) Xeno Dragon offline Verified User (8 months, 2 weeks) Long Term User Shouts: 214 Add Friend # Phoenix, AZ, US | 6 hours, 13 minutes ago (4 hours, 28 minutes after post)

This dragon would be here no more. I can’t afford it. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators This dragon would be here no more. I can't afford it. Help me with: Don’t be afraid.

})i({ ~LazyDaze edited this post 5 hours, 58 minutes ago. Read the previous text » 

   Help.com?

   If Help.com was no longer free, would you pay?
   How much would you pay for a monthly fee?
   If you wouldn’t pay to come here, why?

   **Just random thoughts, No need to panic as this is just pure fiction, just interested to know :)**

Xeno Dragon offline Verified User (8 months, 2 weeks) Long Term User Shouts: 214 Add Friend # Phoenix, AZ, US | 5 hours, 53 minutes ago (4 hours, 48 minutes after post)

Hm. More mods, if the mods could be trusted. Other than that, having users register would likely limit the idiotic posts and the anons. Registering sounds good. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators Hm. More mods, if the mods could be trusted. Other than that, having users register would likely limit the idiotic posts and the anons. Registering sounds good. Help me with: Don’t be afraid. SARAH! offline Verified User (6 months, 2 weeks) Long Term User Shouts: 213 Add Friend # An Undisclosed Location | 5 hours, 36 minutes ago (5 hours, 4 minutes after post)

How should I contact about becoming a mod? Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators How should I contact about becoming a mod? Help me with: This is sad. Xeno Dragon offline Verified User (8 months, 2 weeks) Long Term User Shouts: 214 Add Friend # Phoenix, AZ, US | 5 hours, 35 minutes ago (5 hours, 5 minutes after post)

KT1 or Rocky. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators KT1 or Rocky. Help me with: Don’t be afraid. SARAH! offline Verified User (6 months, 2 weeks) Long Term User Shouts: 213 Add Friend # An Undisclosed Location | 5 hours, 24 minutes ago (5 hours, 17 minutes after post)

Rocky has left and KT1 is leaving soon. There are new admins, but I don’t know who they are :S Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators Rocky has left and KT1 is leaving soon. There are new admins, but I don't know who they are :S Help me with: This is sad. Ken online Verified User (10 months, 3 weeks) Help.com Volunteer Moderator Long Term User Shouts: 384 Add Friend # An Undisclosed Location | 5 hours, 19 minutes ago (5 hours, 22 minutes after post)

The way it worked for my group was they contacted you, not the other way around. Just be yourself and if the admins like how you behave here, you may be chosen. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators The way it worked for my group was they contacted you, not the other way around. Just be yourself and if the admins like how you behave here, you may be chosen. Help me with: Computer help needed. Xeno Dragon offline Verified User (8 months, 2 weeks) Long Term User Shouts: 214 Add Friend # Phoenix, AZ, US | 5 hours, 18 minutes ago (5 hours, 22 minutes after post)

Rocky left?! When? Why? Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators Rocky left?! When? Why? Help me with: Don’t be afraid. SARAH! offline Verified User (6 months, 2 weeks) Long Term User Shouts: 213 Add Friend # An Undisclosed Location | 5 hours, 15 minutes ago (5 hours, 25 minutes after post) 

   Ken wrote:
   The way it worked for my group was they contacted you, not the other way around. Just be yourself and if the admins like how you behave here, you may be chosen.

Coolio :) 

   Xeno Dragon wrote:
   Rocky left?! When? Why?

At first I heard that he was just on honeymoon, but now I’ve heard that he’s left. I hope that it’s not correct as I really liked Rocky. He always helped me with my silly adminy problems :) I really like KT1 too, so it’s a shame to her her go. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators [quote Ken]The way it worked for my group was they contacted you, not the other way around. Just be yourself and if the admins like how you behave here, you may be chosen.[/quote] Coolio :) [quote Xeno Dragon]Rocky left?! When? Why?[/quote] At first I heard that he was just on honeymoon, but now I've heard that he's left. I hope that it's not correct as I really liked Rocky. He always helped me with my silly adminy problems :) I really like KT1 too, so it's a shame to her her go. Help me with: This is sad. Xeno Dragon offline Verified User (8 months, 2 weeks) Long Term User Shouts: 214 Add Friend # Phoenix, AZ, US | 5 hours, 12 minutes ago (5 hours, 28 minutes after post)

I don’t want them to go… Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators I don't want them to go... Help me with: Don’t be afraid. Ken online Verified User (10 months, 3 weeks) Help.com Volunteer Moderator Long Term User Shouts: 384 Add Friend # An Undisclosed Location | 5 hours, 11 minutes ago (5 hours, 30 minutes after post)

To my knowledge they are not completely leaving, they just have other projects to work on so they won’t be on as much. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators To my knowledge they are not completely leaving, they just have other projects to work on so they won't be on as much. Help me with: Computer help needed. })i({ ~LazyDaze online Verified User (7 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 491 Add Friend # Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 4 hours, 55 minutes ago (5 hours, 46 minutes after post)

Nope, they are leaveing, I heard that too :( Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators Nope, they are leaveing, I heard that too :( Ken online Verified User (10 months, 3 weeks) Help.com Volunteer Moderator Long Term User Shouts: 384 Add Friend # An Undisclosed Location | 4 hours, 50 minutes ago (5 hours, 50 minutes after post) 

   })i({ ~LazyDaze wrote:
   Nope, they are leaveing, I heard that too :(

Maybe. Not what I heard tho. Since when do the users get to know more than me? haha Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators [quote })i({ ~LazyDaze]Nope, they are leaveing, I heard that too :([/quote] Maybe. Not what I heard tho. Since when do the users get to know more than me? haha Help me with: Computer help needed. -Little Angel- offline Verified User (7 months, 2 weeks) Long Term User Shouts: 4 Add Friend # An Undisclosed Location | 4 hours, 10 minutes ago (6 hours, 30 minutes after post)

I wish users that com on this site every day and put up very few replies, if any would go to another site.

They just seem to use the shout pages or the chat room. When they do make replies to posts they quite ofthen rude or start arguments.

Is this Help.com or Chat.com?

I would like to see the chat room go.

If this sites administrators and moderators keep the fundamental philosophy that brought this site online and keep it as a help site I would be happy to pay a subcription. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators I wish users that com on this site every day and put up very few replies, if any would go to another site. They just seem to use the shout pages or the chat room. When they do make replies to posts they quite ofthen rude or start arguments. Is this Help.com or Chat.com? I would like to see the chat room go. If this sites administrators and moderators keep the fundamental philosophy that brought this site online and keep it as a help site I would be happy to pay a subcription. Help me with: why is it that users cant delete their own shouts and can only report them? Xeno Dragon offline Verified User (8 months, 2 weeks) Long Term User Shouts: 214 Add Friend # Phoenix, AZ, US | 1 hour, 29 minutes ago (9 hours, 11 minutes after post)

I don’t see anything wrong with Chat. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators I don't see anything wrong with Chat. Help me with: Don’t be afraid. raver.barbie online Verified User (1 month, 1 week) Shouts: 137 Add Friend # Tamworth, 43, GB | 1 hour, 22 minutes ago (9 hours, 18 minutes after post)

lol ive never even used the chat room…is it any good? Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators lol ive never even used the chat room...is it any good? Help me with: Im worried about my boyfriends daughter. Xeno Dragon offline Verified User (8 months, 2 weeks) Long Term User Shouts: 214 Add Friend # Phoenix, AZ, US | 1 hour, 22 minutes ago (9 hours, 19 minutes after post)

You could try it, and find out. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators You could try it, and find out. Help me with: Don’t be afraid. raver.barbie online Verified User (1 month, 1 week) Shouts: 137 Add Friend # Tamworth, 43, GB | 1 hour, 17 minutes ago (9 hours, 23 minutes after post)

is it slow or does it work like msn..? Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators is it slow or does it work like msn..? Help me with: Im worried about my boyfriends daughter. Xeno Dragon offline Verified User (8 months, 2 weeks) Long Term User Shouts: 214 Add Friend # Phoenix, AZ, US | 1 hour, 13 minutes ago (9 hours, 27 minutes after post)

Just try it. http://help.com/chat Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators Just try it. http://help.com/chat Help me with: Don’t be afraid. raver.barbie online Verified User (1 month, 1 week) Shouts: 137 Add Friend # Tamworth, 43, GB | 1 hour, 11 minutes ago (9 hours, 29 minutes after post)

i’ll ask someone else first then…my laptops broken…and it screws up all the time when i run larger programs or things that require more RAM. it freezes for a while when i get the notices from help.com in the green strip so… Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators i'll ask someone else first then...my laptops broken...and it screws up all the time when i run larger programs or things that require more RAM. it freezes for a while when i get the notices from help.com in the green strip so... Help me with: Im worried about my boyfriends daughter. })i({ ~LazyDaze online Verified User (7 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 491 Add Friend # Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 1 hour, 8 minutes ago (9 hours, 32 minutes after post)

I think chat is a waste of time, a function that causes more bad than good, it is pre dated old and pointless, the chat goes slow with no rythem, no one knows who is talking to who and thats what causes the arguments, and if you get in there when there is no one argueing then hang around a min or 2 because it won’t be long before one starts…… There that si my opinion, I have been to chat about 10 times maybe and each time bar about twice it has been as I have described. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators I think chat is a waste of time, a function that causes more bad than good, it is pre dated old and pointless, the chat goes slow with no rythem, no one knows who is talking to who and thats what causes the arguments, and if you get in there when there is no one argueing then hang around a min or 2 because it won't be long before one starts...... There that si my opinion, I have been to chat about 10 times maybe and each time bar about twice it has been as I have described. Xeno Dragon offline Verified User (8 months, 2 weeks) Long Term User Shouts: 214 Add Friend # Phoenix, AZ, US | 1 hour, 6 minutes ago (9 hours, 34 minutes after post)

I’ve been in there more times than I can count, and that’s only happened a few of them. Maybe your timing has something to do with it. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators I've been in there more times than I can count, and that's only happened a few of them. Maybe your timing has something to do with it. Help me with: Don’t be afraid. raver.barbie online Verified User (1 month, 1 week) Shouts: 137 Add Friend # Tamworth, 43, GB | 1 hour, 5 minutes ago (9 hours, 35 minutes after post)

hmm…im pretty happy with the posts on here anyway…

i mean i like the discussion. it may not always be really important but its nice to have a ‘theme’.

if i wanted to talk about meaningless rubbish i would go into a bar on my own and wear a skirt lmao. its guy after boring guy lol. so im quite happy with they way the system works here.

One thing i like about help.com is that our personal info and profiles are simple. there are no applications. friends in common. top friends. send your friend a drink. superpoke.

etc etc. i like the fact that it is so seperate to bebo and facebook and myspace. which are ok, but you cant really have the decent discussions on there like we do on here Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators hmm...im pretty happy with the posts on here anyway... i mean i like the discussion. it may not always be really important but its nice to have a 'theme'. if i wanted to talk about meaningless rubbish i would go into a bar on my own and wear a skirt lmao. its guy after boring guy lol. so im quite happy with they way the system works here. One thing i like about help.com is that our personal info and profiles are simple. there are no applications. friends in common. top friends. send your friend a drink. superpoke. etc etc. i like the fact that it is so seperate to bebo and facebook and myspace. which are ok, but you cant really have the decent discussions on there like we do on here Help me with: Im worried about my boyfriends daughter. })i({ ~LazyDaze online Verified User (7 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 491 Add Friend # Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 1 hour ago (9 hours, 40 minutes after post)

Yeah I suppose you are right, it does seem to be original… or unique Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators Yeah I suppose you are right, it does seem to be original... or unique raver.barbie online Verified User (1 month, 1 week) Shouts: 137 Add Friend # Tamworth, 43, GB | 56 minutes ago (9 hours, 44 minutes after post) 

   })i({ ~LazyDaze wrote:
   Yeah I suppose you are right, it does seem to be original… or unique

mmm, i much prefer they way it all works…its a good way to meet nice people too. i know theres a few of us on here who are like ‘the regulars’ lol. well i dont know all of them, im sure everyone has different people on their regular list, but the point is a lot of us have made a few valuble friends. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators [quote })i({ ~LazyDaze]Yeah I suppose you are right, it does seem to be original... or unique[/quote] mmm, i much prefer they way it all works...its a good way to meet nice people too. i know theres a few of us on here who are like 'the regulars' lol. well i dont know all of them, im sure everyone has different people on their regular list, but the point is a lot of us have made a few valuble friends. Help me with: Im worried about my boyfriends daughter. })i({ ~LazyDaze online Verified User (7 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 491 Add Friend # Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 54 minutes ago (9 hours, 46 minutes after post)

I’m not regualr at all, I’m hardly here ever….. O_o

  • anyone belive that?*

Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators I'm not regualr at all, I'm hardly here ever..... O_o *anyone belive that?* raver.barbie online Verified User (1 month, 1 week) Shouts: 137 Add Friend # Tamworth, 43, GB | 42 minutes ago (9 hours, 58 minutes after post) 

   })i({ ~LazyDaze wrote:
   I’m not regualr at all, I’m hardly here ever…..O_o*anyone belive that?*

haha your obsessed really. :P

o/j, cant wait till spring, my caravan opens up again (in abergele). maybe i could borrow your pc whilst im there to post lol.

again o/j…im on here every day now…its sad but i study from home so i use it whilst im ’studyin’. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators [quote })i({ ~LazyDaze]I'm not regualr at all, I'm hardly here ever.....O_o*anyone belive that?*[/quote] haha your obsessed really. :P o/j, cant wait till spring, my caravan opens up again (in abergele). maybe i could borrow your pc whilst im there to post lol. again o/j...im on here every day now...its sad but i study from home so i use it whilst im 'studyin'. Help me with: Im worried about my boyfriends daughter. })i({ ~LazyDaze online Verified User (7 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 491 Add Friend # Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 41 minutes ago (10 hours after post)

OMG Barbie I am like 10 min drive from Abergele lol Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators OMG Barbie I am like 10 min drive from Abergele lol raver.barbie online Verified User (1 month, 1 week) Shouts: 137 Add Friend # Tamworth, 43, GB | 36 minutes ago (10 hours, 5 minutes after post)

i know, i walk my dog along the beach in colwyn bay, they don’t let dogs on the beach in rhyl, and pensarn beach isn’t very big etc.

that’s why i said it lol :P

its like my family’s little holiday thing. its one of those static caravans…you know what i mean cuz there are MILLIONS of them around north wales lol.

anyway…I’m gona think of something to say related to the topic so i don’t risk it being closed lol….

OK…i think help.com should install a spellchecker!!! SOOOOOOOOOOOOO many people on here criticize people for incorrect spelling and use it to score points, i think it would save a bit of unnecessary argument.

but as a note…Google toolbar has a spell check! i should use it more often though…my spelling is awful on here…i just cant be bothered to think properly when I’m relaxing. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators i know, i walk my dog along the beach in colwyn bay, they don't let dogs on the beach in rhyl, and pensarn beach isn't very big etc. that's why i said it lol :P its like my family's little holiday thing. its one of those static caravans...you know what i mean cuz there are MILLIONS of them around north wales lol. anyway...I'm gona think of something to say related to the topic so i don't risk it being closed lol.... OK...i think help.com should install a spellchecker!!! SOOOOOOOOOOOOO many people on here criticize people for incorrect spelling and use it to score points, i think it would save a bit of unnecessary argument. but as a note...Google toolbar has a spell check! i should use it more often though...my spelling is awful on here...i just cant be bothered to think properly when I'm relaxing. Help me with: Im worried about my boyfriends daughter. Starlight offline Verified User (2 months) Shouts: 1 Add Friend # Halifax, NS, CA | 35 minutes ago (10 hours, 5 minutes after post)

I love this site, but I would not pay, because I couldn’t. I am only 13, and my parents would not allow me to pay money for a site. Teenage years are (most of the time) the time in our life with we inconter most problems. Yet most teens on this site wouldd be unable to pay, so the ones who most need help would not get it. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators I love this site, but I would not pay, because I couldn't. I am only 13, and my parents would not allow me to pay money for a site. Teenage years are (most of the time) the time in our life with we inconter most problems. Yet most teens on this site wouldd be unable to pay, so the ones who most need help would not get it. Help me with: Anyone know any 100% free software for cleaning Registry-entrys? })i({ ~LazyDaze online Verified User (7 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 491 Add Friend # Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 33 minutes ago (10 hours, 7 minutes after post)

Lol may bump into you then Barbie if you are about in colwyn bay :D

And star I know what you mean but there are other options, like registering or more mods, what one would be more effective? Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators Lol may bump into you then Barbie if you are about in colwyn bay :D And star I know what you mean but there are other options, like registering or more mods, what one would be more effective? yboy online Verified User (34 minutes) Shouts: 1 Add Friend # Frankfurt Am Main, 05, DE | 29 minutes ago (10 hours, 11 minutes after post)

Hi all!

It’s ME! :D

I’ve decided to hop aboard since there’s talk that the management is being renewed.

I want to say how unhappy I was about the fact that the xbox account was banned. I think that was inexcusable and infantile.

Let’s see if there has been any change in approach to managing the site — if I am gone in a couple minutes, then you will know that very little has changed…

) nmw

Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators Hi all! It's ME! :D I've decided to hop aboard since there's talk that the management is being renewed. I want to say how unhappy I was about the fact that the xbox account was banned. I think that was inexcusable and infantile. Let's see if there has been any change in approach to managing the site -- if I am gone in a couple minutes, then you will know that very little has changed... :) nmw })i({ ~LazyDaze online Verified User (7 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 491 Add Friend # Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 28 minutes ago (10 hours, 12 minutes after post)

LMAO Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators LMAO })i({ ~LazyDaze online Verified User (7 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 491 Add Friend # Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 27 minutes ago (10 hours, 13 minutes after post)

You didn’t have to announce it so much! You could have gone longer if you had not said so much haha Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators You didn't have to announce it so much! You could have gone longer if you had not said so much haha Soulsearcher online Verified User (7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 438 Add Friend # An Undisclosed Location | 24 minutes ago (10 hours, 16 minutes after post)

Yeah I would pay. By the way someone else made a post about this very same thing about three weeks back :) Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators Yeah I would pay. By the way someone else made a post about this very same thing about three weeks back :) Help me with: Yanni live at the Taj Mahal - love is all yboy online Verified User (34 minutes) Shouts: 1 Add Friend # Frankfurt Am Main, 05, DE | 24 minutes ago (10 hours, 16 minutes after post)

I’m still here…

(maybe I should repeat this until the site management get’s sick ‘n’ tired of reading it? ;) Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators I'm still here... (maybe I should repeat this until the site management get's sick 'n' tired of reading it? ;) })i({ ~LazyDaze online Verified User (7 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 491 Add Friend # Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 22 minutes ago (10 hours, 19 minutes after post)

Oh someone already did? Trust you to know that Soul lol

x, why do you want to make people sick of it? Are you wanting something to happen? Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators Oh someone already did? Trust you to know that Soul lol x, why do you want to make people sick of it? Are you wanting something to happen? Soulsearcher online Verified User (7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 438 Add Friend # An Undisclosed Location | 18 minutes ago (10 hours, 22 minutes after post)

) Yep they did. You will never get a patent for anything this way hun :) if you win a Nobel price I am sure you will have to share it with someone else who discovered(whatever it is) it independently from you.

Having said that, way to go cool mama :D Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators

) Yep they did. You will never get a patent for anything this way hun :) if you win a Nobel price I am sure you will have to share it with someone else who discovered(whatever it is) it independently from you. Having said that, way to go cool mama :D

Help me with: Yanni live at the Taj Mahal - love is all })i({ ~LazyDaze online Verified User (7 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 491 Add Friend # Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 17 minutes ago (10 hours, 23 minutes after post)

LoL Thanks soul :D And yes, no ideas of my own…. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators LoL Thanks soul :D And yes, no ideas of my own.... yboy online Verified User (34 minutes) Shouts: 1 Add Friend # Frankfurt Am Main, 05, DE | 16 minutes ago (10 hours, 24 minutes after post)

Nah, not at all — it was this: 

   })i({ ~LazyDaze wrote:
   You didn’t have to announce it so much!
   You could have gone longer if you had not said so much haha

So maybe I should just explain that I have nothing to hide — but if I disappear, then you will know that with regard to this nonsensical censorship issue, very little has changed.

Just in case I’m gone sooner than you can look, let me also say that I think it would be good if everyone was a moderator — and that all moderators had to be fully transparent — so pressing on the red flag would be something everyone would also have to be able to justify (not only with their own conscience, but also to the other participants ussing this site. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators Nah, not at all -- it was this: [quote })i({ ~LazyDaze]You didn't have to announce it so much! You could have gone longer if you had not said so much haha[/quote] So maybe I should just explain that I have nothing to hide -- but if I disappear, then you will know that with regard to this nonsensical censorship issue, very little has changed. Just in case I'm gone sooner than you can look, let me also say that I think it would be good if everyone was a moderator -- and that all moderators had to be fully transparent -- so pressing on the red flag would be something everyone would also have to be able to justify (not only with their own conscience, but also to the other participants ussing this site. Soulsearcher online Verified User (7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 438 Add Friend # An Undisclosed Location | 15 minutes ago (10 hours, 25 minutes after post)

Hey I didn’t say that. What I meant was you discover things independently from others, a wee bit late but the idea is yours nevertheless :D Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators Hey I didn't say that. What I meant was you discover things independently from others, a wee bit late but the idea is yours nevertheless :D Help me with: Yanni live at the Taj Mahal - love is all raver.barbie online Verified User (1 month, 1 week) Shouts: 137 Add Friend # Tamworth, 43, GB | 14 minutes ago (10 hours, 26 minutes after post) 

   })i({ ~LazyDaze wrote:
   Lol may bump into you then Barbie if you are about in colwyn bay :D

well my profile pic was taken yesterday so i look like that lol. and im always seen with this dog:

shes my baby!!!!!! Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators [quote })i({ ~LazyDaze]Lol may bump into you then Barbie if you are about in colwyn bay :D[/quote] well my profile pic was taken yesterday so i look like that lol. and im always seen with this dog: shes my baby!!!!!! Help me with: Im worried about my boyfriends daughter. })i({ ~LazyDaze online Verified User (7 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 491 Add Friend # Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 13 minutes ago (10 hours, 27 minutes after post)

Ahahaha, is your dog wearing a top? hehe Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators Ahahaha, is your dog wearing a top? hehe raver.barbie online Verified User (1 month, 1 week) Shouts: 137 Add Friend # Tamworth, 43, GB | 13 minutes ago (10 hours, 27 minutes after post)

i know lmao its her hoody. it says “go girl” on the back!!! if you think thats bad… Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators i know lmao its her hoody. it says "go girl" on the back!!! if you think thats bad... Help me with: Im worried about my boyfriends daughter. raver.barbie online Verified User (1 month, 1 week) Shouts: 137 Add Friend # Tamworth, 43, GB | 12 minutes ago (10 hours, 29 minutes after post)

hehe…

yboy, i dont understand what your on about…what do you mean about the xbox account? and why will you be gone? Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators hehe... yboy, i dont understand what your on about...what do you mean about the xbox account? and why will you be gone? Help me with: Im worried about my boyfriends daughter. Soulsearcher online Verified User (7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 438 Add Friend # An Undisclosed Location | 10 minutes ago (10 hours, 30 minutes after post)

There’a cutie. Looks like made of silk :) Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators There'a cutie. Looks like made of silk :) Help me with: Yanni live at the Taj Mahal - love is all yboy online Verified User (34 minutes) Shouts: 1 Add Friend # Frankfurt Am Main, 05, DE | 10 minutes ago (10 hours, 31 minutes after post)

hahaha — raver,

the xbox account was taken out back and exterminated.

sounds gruesome, eh? well — that’s what it feels like! Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators hahaha -- raver, the xbox account was taken out back and exterminated. sounds gruesome, eh? well -- that's what it feels like! })i({ ~LazyDaze online Verified User (7 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 491 Add Friend # Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 10 minutes ago (10 hours, 31 minutes after post)

Yeah was gonna say that the dog oks very fluffy Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators Yeah was gonna say that the dog oks very fluffy Soulsearcher online Verified User (7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 438 Add Friend # An Undisclosed Location | 8 minutes ago (10 hours, 32 minutes after post)

Cotton candy :) Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators Cotton candy :) Help me with: Yanni live at the Taj Mahal - love is all yboy online Verified User (34 minutes) Shouts: 1 Add Friend # Frankfurt Am Main, 05, DE | 7 minutes ago (10 hours, 33 minutes after post)

(sorry to get all “heavy” on ya, but you asked — so I answered; and pardon me for being so direct about it [I still have difficulty thinking about it myself]) Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators (sorry to get all "heavy" on ya, but you asked -- so I answered; and pardon me for being so direct about it [I still have difficulty thinking about it myself]) raver.barbie online Verified User (1 month, 1 week) Shouts: 137 Add Friend # Tamworth, 43, GB | 7 minutes ago (10 hours, 34 minutes after post)

lol thanks. she’s a ‘bichon frise’ which is a bit like a poodle…anyway she hasnt got fur, she’s got hair. so she’s anti allergy. so people who are allergic to animal fur don’t have to worry lol! 

   yboy wrote:
   hahaha — raver,

   the xbox account was taken out back and exterminated.

   sounds gruesome, eh? well — that’s what it feels like!

what xbox account…on help.com or on xbox…sorry but im so tired so if im not getting the obvious you have my permission to point and laugh lol. Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators lol thanks. she's a 'bichon frise' which is a bit like a poodle...anyway she hasnt got fur, she's got hair. so she's anti allergy. so people who are allergic to animal fur don't have to worry lol! [quote yboy]hahaha -- raver, the xbox account was taken out back and exterminated. sounds gruesome, eh? well -- that's what it feels like![/quote] what xbox account...on help.com or on xbox...sorry but im so tired so if im not getting the obvious you have my permission to point and laugh lol. Help me with: Im worried about my boyfriends daughter. Soulsearcher online Verified User (7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 438 Add Friend # An Undisclosed Location | 6 minutes ago (10 hours, 34 minutes after post)

Fluffy: that was a huge compliment coming from you Emily. Knowing how you feel about dogs ;) Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators Fluffy: that was a huge compliment coming from you Emily. Knowing how you feel about dogs ;) Help me with: Yanni live at the Taj Mahal - love is all raver.barbie online Verified User (1 month, 1 week) Shouts: 137 Add Friend # Tamworth, 43, GB | 1 minute ago (10 hours, 39 minutes after post)

lol. she’s not like a dog…she’s like a lil baby lol… she doesnt really act very ‘dogish’. apart from the fact that if she’s not hungry she’ll bury her food lmao.

she’s nice for a dog. good with children an all that…My bfs lil girl only just turned 1…and she grabs my dog by the eyes and the mouth an the ears and pulls her about…and when my dog wants her to stop she lickes her hand lol. its cute…

…ok its probably not cute but if you ever get to own a tiny dog you feel a lot differently towards dogs than you did before… Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators lol. she's not like a dog...she's like a lil baby lol... she doesnt really act very 'dogish'. apart from the fact that if she's not hungry she'll bury her food lmao. she's nice for a dog. good with children an all that...My bfs lil girl only just turned 1...and she grabs my dog by the eyes and the mouth an the ears and pulls her about...and when my dog wants her to stop she lickes her hand lol. its cute... ...ok its probably not cute but if you ever get to own a tiny dog you feel a lot differently towards dogs than you did before... Help me with: Im worried about my boyfriends daughter. yboy online Verified User (34 minutes) Shouts: 1 Add Friend # Frankfurt Am Main, 05, DE | 0 minutes ago (10 hours, 40 minutes after post)

Well it’s been nice chatting, but I feel like I’m knockin on heaven’s door — time for me to go to bed…

) nmw

Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators Well it's been nice chatting, but I feel like I'm knockin on heaven's door -- time for me to go to bed... :) nmw })i({ ~LazyDaze online Verified User (7 months, 1 week) Long Term User Shouts: 491 Add Friend # Colwyn Bay, 90, GB | 0 minutes ago (10 hours, 40 minutes after post)

Goodnight x :) Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators Goodnight x :) raver.barbie online Verified User (1 month, 1 week) Shouts: 137 Add Friend # Tamworth, 43, GB | 0 minutes ago (10 hours, 41 minutes after post) 

   yboy wrote:
   Well it’s been nice chatting, but I feel like I’m knockin on heaven’s door — time for me to go to bed…:) nmw

nighty night :) Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators [quote yboy]Well it's been nice chatting, but I feel like I'm knockin on heaven's door -- time for me to go to bed...:) nmw[/quote] nighty night :) Help me with: Im worried about my boyfriends daughter.


2007/01/08

Here we go again

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2008/01/02

The aforementioned discussion thread (see http://www.aboutus.org/Help.com#2007.2F12.2F18 below) has been deleted. An archived transcript of the discussion is still available at http://asinine.ws/clearing-the-air.html

2007/12/19

After another day of discussions, the following rule/guideline has been clarified: 

 What is prohibited is simply whatever the mods and admins feel should be prohibited.

see http://help.com/post/118837

2007/12/18

There is a great amount of community participation on the help.com website, but unfortunately the help.com site is run be people who seem to be quite intolerant and do not allow free speech.

The help.com website crashes quite often and the help.com site management seems to be understaffed.

All in all, the help.com site (and in particular the help.com website) would have enormous potential, if only the help.com site were run by more competent people.

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I have now been allowed to post again -- please follow the story at: http://help.com/post/118482-clearing-the-air

oops! -- that didn't last very long!!

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OK, unblocked again -- keeping fingers crossed...

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