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| − | ''Fridemar:''
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| − | Hello Aaron, dear wikizens:
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| − | what do you think about the following jump-start into [[XOB]], by using a shared ecommerce solution, that can be started immediately by you or by me, as soon as we both agree on this approach.
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| − | I think of a prototypical "emulated" [[Meatball:PublicBankView]], that is realized by publishing XOB income, currently based on bootstrapping the XOB-concept.
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| − | For this, we introduce the concept of an AuditedSignature for XOB-workteams.
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| − | Currently we two represent an initial XOB-team, consisting of two members, where each one signs his public collaborative contributions to the concept. (This can be done, whereever in the Web this pioneering business model is welcome).
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| − | To make the signature an AuditedSignature, we include a PayLink,
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| − | that allows the reader to click on it, giving them the information, how much financial support is given from each 1st day of the month until the current day ''(to the highly creative and labor-intensive, otherwise unpaid work for inventing and developing ExtremeOpenBusiness for all)''.
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| − | The public financial statement simply consists of a daily file for download, that gives nearly realtime information on the monthly account period.
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| − | Since years I have been observing the market for micropayment solutions and I think, I have found a qualified service provider, listed in Aboutus as [[E-Junkie.com]].
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| − | Have a look at [[http://www.e-junkie.com/ej/faq.general.php E-Junkie:FAQ]] and you can see the benefits for XOB-teams.
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| − | * Just $5 per month ''(for ten different files, inserted from the price table-- fp)''
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| − | * No bandwidth limit
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| − | * No transaction limit
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| − | * No transaction fee
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| − | If n=2 XOB-teamworkers share this account, this has the following
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| − | * Cost reduction 5/2 =2.50 pro member
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| − | * Each team-member gets the account info of the other(s) for free
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| − | For n>5 XOB-teamworkers their "financial engagement" appears to be compensated by one single audit download.
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| − | As this service is open to all (albeit protected by a say 0.99 US$ download fee), it is maximal credible and reliable to the public, because it is also open to the tax-authorities.
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| − | So these benefits add another incentive for us as well as new team-members.
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| − | Every active community member, with a [[RealName]], convincing publications in the past and collaborative contributions to XOB, qualifies. <->[[http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?SuggestionSharedEcommerceSolution Meatball:AaronPoeze]]
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| − | [[User:Fridemar|fridemar]] 16:45, 4 July 2008 (PDT)
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| − | Do you know [[http://www.buckdrop.com/]]? This is another initiative from the lead programmer of E-Junkie, who is known to the Google Developers as one of the most active API programmers in the field of {{g|Google's+SocialOpen+API}}. I have this info from [[http://youtube.com/results?search_query=E-Junkie YouTube:E-Junkie]].
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| − | ''Aaron:''
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| − | Hello again. I have been busy in life and thank you for your patience. I think this is a good idea and matches what we envisioned for public banking and a method which might work in the XOB context. It's great you have found what may be a suitable micropayment service because I understand it's all about fee minimisation at such small payment levels.
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| − | Therefore I agree this is worth a go once we can set up such a functional page. What do we need to do for this? How have your OpenSS efforts gone?
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| − | No I am not familiar with buckdrop but I am hearing a great deal that google is about to merge into pseudo OS operations offering all sorts of applications from a web basis like their already extensive suite by opening the development to third parties. If this programmer is very active they may become important. will have a look at those links to understand what you mean better. [[User:Aaron Poeze|Aaron Poeze]] 23:32, 5 July 2008 (PDT)
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| − | ''Fridemar:''
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| − | To initiate the open Ecommerce process, I suggest, that we subscribe
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| − | both a free 1 week trial, where each of us uploads a test file for down-
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| − | load at 0.99 US$. I download yours, say ExtremeOpenBusinessJournal-AaronPoeze-2008-07-07.html, and you download my ExtremeOpenBusinessJournal-FridemarPache-2008-07-07.html.
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| − | It appears to be practical to use a uniform format:
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| − | ExtremeOpenBusinessJournal-UserName-yyyy-mm-dd.html.
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| − | To make this file even more useful, I tried out a selfcontained {{g|TiddlyWiki}} microformat wiki, serving as a (daily) log with links/images etc. TiddlyWiki is freeware, allows commercial use,
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| − | supports a timeline, i.e. an internal blog and has a large community,
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| − | which asks for donations. The best donation, we can make them, is to
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| − | show them, how to replace donations by XOB.
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| − | Within the test period, we can also explore how we can organize our journals and account-sharing, asking the E-Junkie support specific questions in their forum or even extending the dialogue to AboutusOrg, similar like
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| − | [[DomainRegistrarTransfer]], but this time perhaps as a multilogue.
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| − | Besides that, I invite you and all interested wikizens to join the
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| − | [[http://trailfire.com/fridemar/trails/63143/E-Junkie.com WikiTrail:E-Junkie.com]] ''(see [[Meatball:WikiTrail]])'' to organize our growing knowledge and skills on [[E-Junkie.com]] and at the same time preparing the open dialogue with the ecommerce provider.
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| − | In the test phase, we initiate our ExtremeOpenBusinessJournal with mutual 0.99 US$ transactions and with our internal notes.
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| − | The downloads are primarily tests for us two. If anybody else is motivated to download in this pre-alpha phase, we consider this as extreme curiosity, that adds to our initial XOB-income to be listed on the following day in sequence :-)
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| − | Are you ready?
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| − | What about starting ExtremeOpenBusinessJournal tomorrow with a free trial of <-> [[E-Junkie]]?
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| − | [[User:Fridemar|fridemar]] 16:42, 6 July 2008 (PDT)
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| − | Meanwhile I have subscribed and I am preparing a file to upload.
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| − | The subscription is easy and realtime.
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| − | The same holds for the upload-file option.
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| − | I hope you have a registered Paypal (classic or Pro-) account, although E-Junkie has some other payment provider options.
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| − | I replaced the filename prefix XOB by ExtremeOpenBusiness, to avoid
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| − | ''Aaron:''
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| − | It's great you have moved ahead with using the system which is after all the best way to find it's worth and strengths and weaknesses within our XOB context. Yes I agree and will work to make this happen now. I totally missed this page it was not on my watch list but is now. [[User:Aaron Poeze|Aaron Poeze]] 00:01, 9 July 2008 (PDT)
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| | == ExtremeOpenBusiness-FridemarPache-2008-07-08== | | == ExtremeOpenBusiness-FridemarPache-2008-07-08== |
From Aboutus:Suggestion:_Shared_Ecommerce_Solution
Intro
moved to SharedEcommerceIntro
ExtremeOpenBusiness-FridemarPache-2008-07-08
Dear Aaron, meanwhile my first testupload is available.
So I ask you to download it and it would be great to have your feedback.
The downloaded file is a selfcontained TiddlyWiki in form of an HTML-file with embedded JavaScript:
Call for Help in testing
(This leads to a downloadable file meant for Aaron, Christian or one of the friendly staff of E-Junkie. It costs 0.99 US$ and the author pledges
to pay it back via PayPal.
Anyone else, who tests this is supposed to be a sponsor. Thank you in this case.)
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Aaron:
This shows what's in my cart ie nothing. It does not have a link to your download product. Aaron Poeze 00:45, 9 July 2008 (PDT)
Fridemar:
Thank you Aaron, so we will have to concentrate us on the PayButton.
fridemar 15:10, 9 July 2008 (PDT)
Aaron:
Yes, however we will need to figure out how to let an interested party add specific pages of their choosing to a cart.
What about this BuyButton?
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Aaron:
I don't know why but this is hanging. I see a spinning loading icon which doesn't stop. It seems to be having trouble getting to paypal. Perhaps something is down. My other internet sites are ok. Yes paypal is down i am unable to access it directly. I will try it again later. Probably i will need something in the cart :) Aaron Poeze 00:45, 9 July 2008 (PDT)
Fridemar:
Alternatively we can make temporary Buttons in our Blogs. fridemar 15:10, 9 July 2008 (PDT)
Aaron:
Or both Aaron Poeze 00:45, 9 July 2008 (PDT)
Aaron:
Success. The payment button is working. Paypal is not down. The payment button forces paypal payment method only. I saw no hidden fees except the exchange rate which was 1 AUD = 0.933421USD. I would need to check my credit card statement to be sure. I got a link to the downloadable page. I looked fine and had the income figures. I got your automated email thanking for the download and involvement. Aaron Poeze 21:28, 9 July 2008 (PDT)
Checking the Paypal payments received
Fridemar:
Hello Aaron, this is what I received at Paypal. Note the high transaction costs. I thought E-Junkie had a method to avoid these high
transaction costs for MicroPayment (e.g. by cumulating the amounts until a threshold, and then sending them). Besides that, I emailed a letter to the Paypal support, whether they offer a second MicroPayment account.
fridemar 14:39, 10 July 2008 (PDT)
Aaron:
Checking the credit statement has revealed a possible (because the payment is not yet 'processed') $AU1.00 charge connected to the $AU1.07 charge (ie $US0.99 times exchange rate) for a total of $AU2.07. I am not sure of the source of this extra dollar yet. It seems to originate from paypal. It does have a code so I might ask paypal the source if it remains after processing. Aaron Poeze 11:32, 10 July 2008 (PDT)
fridemar 17:20, 7 July 2008 (PDT)
The Aboutus community is open to the whole Internet. It is not exclusively affiliated to any Ecommerce provider, so these initiatives
are meant as friendly invitations, where the addressees decide themselves, whether to appreciate open communication.
Aaron:
RayKing also did this transaction successfully then? Aaron Poeze 11:35, 10 July 2008 (PDT)
First Google Screenshot SharedEcommerce
Immediately after the posting at the E-Junkie forum.
Second Google Screenshot SharedEcommerce
One day later Aboutus gets on top of Google (presumably by the
stronger community approach)
