Difference between revisions of "CreateConnectCollaborate.com"
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[2:31pm] fridemar: RealName pays | [2:31pm] fridemar: RealName pays | ||
[2:31pm] TedErnst: ah | [2:31pm] TedErnst: ah | ||
| − | [2:31pm] fridemar: has a payout .... in savings versus offering this domain for xxxx US $ | + | [2:31pm] fridemar: has a payout .... in savings versus offering this domain |
| + | [2:31pm] fridemar: for xxxx US $ | ||
[2:32pm] fridemar: Do you want to buy it and working on it later together? | [2:32pm] fridemar: Do you want to buy it and working on it later together? | ||
[2:32pm] fridemar: Anyone wants to buy it | [2:32pm] fridemar: Anyone wants to buy it | ||
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[2:34pm] fridemar: Mark good to see you .. | [2:34pm] fridemar: Mark good to see you .. | ||
<pre> | <pre> | ||
| − | [2:35pm] fridemar: ExtremeOpenBusiness is a generalization of the principles of ExtremeProgramming | + | [2:35pm] fridemar: ExtremeOpenBusiness is a generalization of the [2:35pm] fridemar: principles of ExtremeProgramming |
[2:35pm] fridemar: Easyness, Full Feedback, Embracing Change, ... | [2:35pm] fridemar: Easyness, Full Feedback, Embracing Change, ... | ||
[2:35pm] fridemar: Always in test-mode | [2:35pm] fridemar: Always in test-mode | ||
[2:36pm] fridemar: Courage | [2:36pm] fridemar: Courage | ||
[2:36pm] fridemar: OpenSource is only a snapshot of a radical OpenProcess. | [2:36pm] fridemar: OpenSource is only a snapshot of a radical OpenProcess. | ||
| − | [2:37pm] fridemar: OpenBusiness is a diluted concept ... ExtremeOpenBusiness is a clearcut concept | + | [2:37pm] fridemar: OpenBusiness is a diluted concept ... |
| + | [2:37pm] fridemar: ExtremeOpenBusiness is a clearcut concept | ||
[2:37pm] fridemar: OpenBusiness has millions of Google entries... | [2:37pm] fridemar: OpenBusiness has millions of Google entries... | ||
[2:37pm] fridemar: no chance for profiling | [2:37pm] fridemar: no chance for profiling | ||
[2:38pm] fridemar: ExtremeOpenBusiness has only the entries of the inventor | [2:38pm] fridemar: ExtremeOpenBusiness has only the entries of the inventor | ||
| − | [2:39pm] fridemar: Credit goes to the precursors OpenSource movement and Ward and Kent ... for ExtremeProgramming | + | [2:39pm] fridemar: Credit goes to the precursors OpenSource movement and [2:39pm] fridemar: Ward and Kent ... for ExtremeProgramming |
| − | [2:40pm] fridemar: ExtremeOpenBusiness makes all processes, resources, transaction visible to the public. | + | [2:40pm] fridemar: ExtremeOpenBusiness makes all processes, resources, [2:40pm] fridemar: transaction visible to the public. |
| − | [2:40pm] fridemar: But even more ... it has a builtin OpenInvitationToParticipation. | + | [2:40pm] fridemar: But even more ... it has a builtin |
| − | [2:40pm] MarkDilley: this is a great story fridemar - will it be somewhere else than irc | + | [2:40pm] fridemar: OpenInvitationToParticipation. |
| + | [2:40pm] MarkDilley: this is a great story fridemar - will it be [2:40pm] MarkDilley: somewhere else than irc | ||
[2:40pm] fridemar: transactions | [2:40pm] fridemar: transactions | ||
[2:41pm] fridemar: It is kind of an interactive TV reality show. | [2:41pm] fridemar: It is kind of an interactive TV reality show. | ||
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[2:43pm] fridemar: We can always show some surprising results ... | [2:43pm] fridemar: We can always show some surprising results ... | ||
[2:44pm] fridemar: This accelerates the process, makes us more productive ... | [2:44pm] fridemar: This accelerates the process, makes us more productive ... | ||
| − | [2:44pm] fridemar: The goal is to build an infrastructure, that enables creative and constructive wikizens to make a living from wiki collaboration. | + | [2:44pm] fridemar: The goal is to build an infrastructure, that enables [2:44pm] fridemar: creative and constructive wikizens to make a living [2:44pm] fridemar: from wiki collaboration. |
| − | [2:45pm] fridemar: Without that, wikis tend to degrade into [[Meatball: GhostTowns]] and SpamGardens. | + | [2:45pm] fridemar: Without that, wikis tend to degrade into |
| − | [2:46pm] fridemar: If there are enough fully engaged wikizens in a wiki, they will defend the wiki against parasitic "contributions", that destroy the work of peers. | + | [2:44pm] fridemar: [[Meatball: GhostTowns]] and SpamGardens. |
| − | [2:48pm] fridemar: We can overcome the braindrain from wikis to "serious workplaces", where there is work in master-slave mode and a fixed salary. | + | </pre> |
| − | [2:55pm] fridemar: Of course more and more companies have a flatter hierarchy like Google and [[Aboutus]] | + | isolated {{g|GhostTowns}},{{g|Meatball:GhostTowns}} |
| + | <pre> | ||
| + | [2:46pm] fridemar: If there are enough fully engaged wikizens in a wiki, [2:46pm] fridemar: they will defend the wiki against parasitic | ||
| + | [2:46pm] fridemar: "contributions", that destroy the work of peers. | ||
| + | [2:48pm] fridemar: We can overcome the braindrain from wikis to "serious [2:48pm] fridemar: workplaces", where there is work in master-slave mode [2:48pm] fridemar: and a fixed salary. | ||
| + | [2:55pm] fridemar: Of course more and more companies have a flatter [2:55pm] fridemar: hierarchy like Google and [[Aboutus]] | ||
[2:56pm] fridemar: But Aboutus.org is to me much more open than Google .... | [2:56pm] fridemar: But Aboutus.org is to me much more open than Google .... | ||
</pre> | </pre> | ||
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[3:03pm] fridemar: It's indeed the case .. you gave me the initial fuel ... | [3:03pm] fridemar: It's indeed the case .. you gave me the initial fuel ... | ||
[3:03pm] fridemar: So what do you think about [[CreateConnectCollaborate]] ... | [3:03pm] fridemar: So what do you think about [[CreateConnectCollaborate]] ... | ||
| − | [3:04pm] fridemar: we could elaborate this together and share the gain of this domain ... | + | [3:04pm] fridemar: we could elaborate this together and share the gain |
| − | [3:04pm] fridemar: it could become another internal motor for the advancement of AboutUs | + | [3:04pm] fridemar: of this domain ... |
| + | [3:04pm] fridemar: it could become another internal motor for the | ||
| + | [3:04pm] fridemar: advancement of AboutUs | ||
[3:05pm] KristinaWeis: I like it... | [3:05pm] KristinaWeis: I like it... | ||
</pre> | </pre> | ||
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[3:08pm] fridemar: Connect them with synergetic Bilinks and user contributions | [3:08pm] fridemar: Connect them with synergetic Bilinks and user contributions | ||
[3:09pm] fridemar: Collaborate with companies, organizations, active community users ... | [3:09pm] fridemar: Collaborate with companies, organizations, active community users ... | ||
| − | [3:09pm] TedErnst: fridemar: for me, the painful part of working for AboutUs is the financial sustainability part | + | [3:09pm] TedErnst: fridemar: for me, the painful part of working for [3:09pm] TedErnst: AboutUs is the financial sustainability part |
[3:09pm] TedErnst: I'd love to be full-time working with you on this kind of stuff | [3:09pm] TedErnst: I'd love to be full-time working with you on this kind of stuff | ||
[3:09pm] TedErnst: and it's simply not possible at this time | [3:09pm] TedErnst: and it's simply not possible at this time | ||
[3:10pm] fridemar: Perhaps some time .... | [3:10pm] fridemar: Perhaps some time .... | ||
| − | [3:12pm] TedErnst: it seems like you are in the stage for many of your ideas where you need founding partners, people to really get behind the idea | + | [3:12pm] TedErnst: it seems like you are in the stage for many of your [3:12pm] TedErnst: ideas where you need founding partners, people to [3:12pm] TedErnst: really get behind the idea |
</pre> | </pre> | ||
| − | [3:12pm] TedErnst: it's hard for me to see a place for someone with 10 minutes per day or 10 minutes per month - you know what I mean? | + | [3:12pm] TedErnst: it's hard for me to see a place for someone with 10 [3:12pm] TedErnst: minutes per day or 10 minutes per month - you know what I mean? |
[3:13pm] fridemar: Yes , work overload ... | [3:13pm] fridemar: Yes , work overload ... | ||
| − | [3:18pm] fridemar: I could imagine a employer model, where half of the time is paid and the other time is free use | + | [3:18pm] fridemar: I could imagine a employer model, where half of the [3:18pm] fridemar: time is paid and the other time is free use |
| − | [3:19pm] fridemar: In the free use time the employees can /and should earn/ a multiple of their standard income to prove the concept. | + | [3:19pm] fridemar: In the free use time the employees can /and should [3:19pm] fridemar: earn/ a multiple of their standard income to prove the concept. |
| − | [3:20pm] fridemar: S/he can use all the resources of the company, similar like Google staff use all standard apps, they offer for customers. | + | [3:20pm] fridemar: S/he can use all the resources of the company, |
| − | [3:21pm] fridemar: all their own (homemade)standards like Google: Docs, | + | [3:20pm] fridemar: similar like Google staff use all standard apps, they |
| + | [3:20pm] fridemar: offer for customers. | ||
| + | [3:21pm] fridemar: all their own (homemade)standards like Google: Docs, | ||
| + | [3:21pm] fridemar: Calender, Spreadsheet, etc.... | ||
<pre> | <pre> | ||
[3:22pm] fridemar: I ll try to prove the concept as an active community member.... | [3:22pm] fridemar: I ll try to prove the concept as an active community member.... | ||
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[3:24pm] fridemar: Mark | [3:24pm] fridemar: Mark | ||
<pre> | <pre> | ||
| − | [3:25pm] MarkDilley: I hear you getting frustrated and I don't want that, but I also don't know how to get done what you want to get done. | + | [3:25pm] MarkDilley: I hear you getting frustrated and I don't want [3:25pm] MarkDilley: that, but I also don't know how to get done what [3:25pm] MarkDilley: you want to get done. |
[3:25pm] fridemar: The offer for collaboration is [[CreateConnectCollaborate]] | [3:25pm] fridemar: The offer for collaboration is [[CreateConnectCollaborate]] | ||
[3:25pm] MarkDilley: [[CreateConnectCollaborate.com]] | [3:25pm] MarkDilley: [[CreateConnectCollaborate.com]] | ||
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[3:26pm] MarkDilley: you bought it when and are offering it for a collective of $100 ? | [3:26pm] MarkDilley: you bought it when and are offering it for a collective of $100 ? | ||
[3:26pm] fridemar: I bought this premium domain today | [3:26pm] fridemar: I bought this premium domain today | ||
| − | [3:27pm] fridemar: Yes this is the price, you honor my initial work (and the fee of 5.99$) | + | [3:27pm] fridemar: Yes this is the price, you honor my initial work (and [3:27pm] MarkDilley: the fee of 5.99$) |
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[3:27pm] fridemar: Then you have it. | [3:27pm] fridemar: Then you have it. | ||
[3:27pm] MarkDilley: why aren't we sharing it? | [3:27pm] MarkDilley: why aren't we sharing it? | ||
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<pre> | <pre> | ||
[3:29pm].. which is widely distributed in online communities. | [3:29pm].. which is widely distributed in online communities. | ||
| − | [3:29pm] fridemar: Imagine I have to sell each day such a domain, to earn my normal income, other people earn be beeing employed. | + | [3:29pm] fridemar: Imagine I have to sell each day such a domain, to [3:29pm] fridemar: earn my normal income, other people earn be beeing employed. |
[3:30pm] fridemar: | [3:30pm] fridemar: | ||
[3:30pm] fridemar: I am not employed. | [3:30pm] fridemar: I am not employed. | ||
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[3:32pm] MarkDilley: I understand that | [3:32pm] MarkDilley: I understand that | ||
[3:32pm] fridemar: We share ... think about it. | [3:32pm] fridemar: We share ... think about it. | ||
| − | [3:32pm] fridemar: The poor have no chance, if the rich say, I wont pay, lets share. | + | [3:32pm] fridemar: The poor have no chance, if the rich say, I wont pay, [3:32pm] fridemar: lets share. |
| − | [3:33pm] fridemar: Ted just wrote, there is not much time for staff people to collaborate on the development of domain-names. | + | [3:33pm] fridemar: Ted just wrote, there is not much time for staff [3:33pm] fridemar: people to collaborate on the development of domain-names. |
[3:34pm] fridemar: So in the end, "I" do 99 | [3:34pm] fridemar: So in the end, "I" do 99 | ||
[3:34pm] fridemar: percent of the work, for 3US$ | [3:34pm] fridemar: percent of the work, for 3US$ | ||
| − | [3:34pm] MarkDilley: fridemar - I am just not following you and would like this on a wiki page | + | [3:34pm] MarkDilley: fridemar - I am just not following you and would [3:34pm] MarkDilley: like this on a wiki page |
[3:34pm] MarkDilley: too much energy for IRC - for me | [3:34pm] MarkDilley: too much energy for IRC - for me | ||
[3:34pm] fridemar: Yes please publish it ... | [3:34pm] fridemar: Yes please publish it ... | ||
Revision as of 13:51, 19 June 2008
Title
createconnectcollaborate.com
Additional Information
from an IRC-chat with Aboutus staff: (basically raw protocol, with emphasized formatting of the topical part, and making the references true links)
fridemar: I have another bug to report: The FalseEditLink [2:24pm] fridemar: Sometimes an already established page xyz [2:25pm] fridemar: that is referred by xyz [2:25pm] fridemar: is not shown in HTML mode. It is shown in edit mode. [2:25pm] TedErnst: I saw your note about that on WhoWeAre [2:26pm] TedErnst: when I went to WhoWeAre, the link was red, indicating that the page does not exist [2:26pm] TedErnst: when clicking on a redlink, the page is supposed to open in edit mode [2:26pm] TedErnst: so the issue is the red/blue link, methinks [2:27pm] fridemar: Why is that so? [2:27pm] fridemar: I can [2:27pm] fridemar: can't make a rhyme on this... [2:27pm] TedErnst: I think it has to do with database replication [2:28pm] TedErnst: one or more of the servers are confused about the status of a page (exist or not exist) [2:28pm] TedErnst: which means the link shows red [2:28pm] TedErnst: once the server figures it out (perhaps when you click) [2:28pm] TedErnst: then it's blue from then on, and we never see it again for that link [2:28pm] fridemar: I did that without success.. [2:28pm] TedErnst: the link is blue now [2:29pm] fridemar: Ah good .. thank you [2:29pm] TedErnst: I didn't do anything except click on it [2:29pm] fridemar: What do you think about this Bold Wikiness? [2:29pm] TedErnst: bold wikiness? [2:30pm] You are now known as MarkDilley. [2:30pm] You were promoted to operator by ChanServ.
[2:30pm] fridemar: Yes. I offer to RealName people kind of an incentive .. [2:31pm] fridemar: RealName pays [2:31pm] TedErnst: ah [2:31pm] fridemar: has a payout .... in savings versus offering this domain [2:31pm] fridemar: for xxxx US $ [2:32pm] fridemar: Do you want to buy it and working on it later together? [2:32pm] fridemar: Anyone wants to buy it [2:33pm] fridemar: It is another example of ExtremeOpenBusiness ... [2:33pm] TedErnst: I love your energy, fridemar [2:33pm] fridemar: Is Ward listening .. you and Kent invented ExtremeProgramming
[2:34pm] MarkDilley: he is not at the moment [2:34pm] fridemar: I love all the wonderful people here ... [2:34pm] MarkDilley: feeling is mutual [2:34pm] fridemar: Mark good to see you ..
[2:35pm] fridemar: ExtremeOpenBusiness is a generalization of the [2:35pm] fridemar: principles of ExtremeProgramming [2:35pm] fridemar: Easyness, Full Feedback, Embracing Change, ... [2:35pm] fridemar: Always in test-mode [2:36pm] fridemar: Courage [2:36pm] fridemar: OpenSource is only a snapshot of a radical OpenProcess. [2:37pm] fridemar: OpenBusiness is a diluted concept ... [2:37pm] fridemar: ExtremeOpenBusiness is a clearcut concept [2:37pm] fridemar: OpenBusiness has millions of Google entries... [2:37pm] fridemar: no chance for profiling [2:38pm] fridemar: ExtremeOpenBusiness has only the entries of the inventor [2:39pm] fridemar: Credit goes to the precursors OpenSource movement and [2:39pm] fridemar: Ward and Kent ... for ExtremeProgramming [2:40pm] fridemar: ExtremeOpenBusiness makes all processes, resources, [2:40pm] fridemar: transaction visible to the public. [2:40pm] fridemar: But even more ... it has a builtin [2:40pm] fridemar: OpenInvitationToParticipation. [2:40pm] MarkDilley: this is a great story fridemar - will it be [2:40pm] MarkDilley: somewhere else than irc [2:40pm] fridemar: transactions [2:41pm] fridemar: It is kind of an interactive TV reality show. [2:41pm] fridemar: On [[Meatball:ExtremeOpenBusiness]] [2:41pm] MarkDilley: great [2:41pm] fridemar: twinned with a AboutusOrg page. [2:42pm] fridemar: [[ExtremeOpenBusiness]] [2:42pm] fridemar: We make a bottom up approach .. first tests then the theory ... [2:43pm] fridemar: Just like in ExtremeProgramming [2:43pm] fridemar: We can always show some surprising results ... [2:44pm] fridemar: This accelerates the process, makes us more productive ... [2:44pm] fridemar: The goal is to build an infrastructure, that enables [2:44pm] fridemar: creative and constructive wikizens to make a living [2:44pm] fridemar: from wiki collaboration. [2:45pm] fridemar: Without that, wikis tend to degrade into [2:44pm] fridemar: [[Meatball: GhostTowns]] and SpamGardens.
isolated G GhostTowns,G Meatball:GhostTowns
[2:46pm] fridemar: If there are enough fully engaged wikizens in a wiki, [2:46pm] fridemar: they will defend the wiki against parasitic [2:46pm] fridemar: "contributions", that destroy the work of peers. [2:48pm] fridemar: We can overcome the braindrain from wikis to "serious [2:48pm] fridemar: workplaces", where there is work in master-slave mode [2:48pm] fridemar: and a fixed salary. [2:55pm] fridemar: Of course more and more companies have a flatter [2:55pm] fridemar: hierarchy like Google and [[Aboutus]] [2:56pm] fridemar: But Aboutus.org is to me much more open than Google ....
[2:57pm] fridemar: Nobody interested? [2:58pm] fridemar: Ted? [2:59pm] fridemar: coreyburke? [2:59pm] fridemar: ethand? [2:59pm] fridemar: Julia? [2:59pm] fridemar: Kristina? [2:59pm] TedErnst: sorry fridemar , I'm here [2:59pm] TedErnst: your energy is a bit difficult to keep up with [2:59pm] fridemar: [3:00pm] fridemar: Ted what do you think about CreateConnectCollaborate? [3:00pm] KristinaWeis: Yes. [3:01pm] fridemar: Hey Kristina my first love on Aboutus ... you gave me the first gentle introduction [3:01pm] fridemar: [3:02pm] KristinaWeis: Haha, well thank you and you're welcome. [3:02pm] fridemar: Since then I became more and more active as a community member ....
[3:02pm] KristinaWeis: I love that "my first love on AboutUs" [3:02pm] KristinaWeis: [3:03pm] fridemar: It's indeed the case .. you gave me the initial fuel ... [3:03pm] fridemar: So what do you think about [[CreateConnectCollaborate]] ... [3:04pm] fridemar: we could elaborate this together and share the gain [3:04pm] fridemar: of this domain ... [3:04pm] fridemar: it could become another internal motor for the [3:04pm] fridemar: advancement of AboutUs [3:05pm] KristinaWeis: I like it...
[3:05pm] KristinaWeis: Brb, phone. [3:05pm] fridemar: Yes
[3:08pm] fridemar: Create=Create awareness of all the domains, represented in Aboutus [3:08pm] fridemar: Connect them with synergetic Bilinks and user contributions [3:09pm] fridemar: Collaborate with companies, organizations, active community users ... [3:09pm] TedErnst: fridemar: for me, the painful part of working for [3:09pm] TedErnst: AboutUs is the financial sustainability part [3:09pm] TedErnst: I'd love to be full-time working with you on this kind of stuff [3:09pm] TedErnst: and it's simply not possible at this time [3:10pm] fridemar: Perhaps some time .... [3:12pm] TedErnst: it seems like you are in the stage for many of your [3:12pm] TedErnst: ideas where you need founding partners, people to [3:12pm] TedErnst: really get behind the idea
[3:12pm] TedErnst: it's hard for me to see a place for someone with 10 [3:12pm] TedErnst: minutes per day or 10 minutes per month - you know what I mean? [3:13pm] fridemar: Yes , work overload ... [3:18pm] fridemar: I could imagine a employer model, where half of the [3:18pm] fridemar: time is paid and the other time is free use [3:19pm] fridemar: In the free use time the employees can /and should [3:19pm] fridemar: earn/ a multiple of their standard income to prove the concept. [3:20pm] fridemar: S/he can use all the resources of the company, [3:20pm] fridemar: similar like Google staff use all standard apps, they [3:20pm] fridemar: offer for customers. [3:21pm] fridemar: all their own (homemade)standards like Google: Docs, [3:21pm] fridemar: Calender, Spreadsheet, etc....
[3:22pm] fridemar: I ll try to prove the concept as an active community member....
[3:23pm] fridemar: Hi Kristina, are you still here ... [3:23pm] fridemar: Julia? [3:23pm] fridemar: Mattis=MattisManzel? [3:23pm] fridemar: Michi [3:23pm] fridemar: Obed [3:23pm] fridemar: Steven [3:24pm] fridemar: Ward? [3:24pm] michiSchoenitzer: what? [3:24pm] fridemar: Nobody interested? [3:24pm] fridemar: Hi michi [3:24pm] MarkDilley: fridemar [3:24pm] fridemar: Mark
[3:25pm] MarkDilley: I hear you getting frustrated and I don't want [3:25pm] MarkDilley: that, but I also don't know how to get done what [3:25pm] MarkDilley: you want to get done. [3:25pm] fridemar: The offer for collaboration is [[CreateConnectCollaborate]] [3:25pm] MarkDilley: [[CreateConnectCollaborate.com]] [3:25pm] fridemar: Yes [3:26pm] MarkDilley: you bought it when and are offering it for a collective of $100 ? [3:26pm] fridemar: I bought this premium domain today [3:27pm] fridemar: Yes this is the price, you honor my initial work (and [3:27pm] MarkDilley: the fee of 5.99$) [3:27pm] fridemar: Then you have it. [3:27pm] MarkDilley: why aren't we sharing it? [3:27pm] fridemar: And I continue to work on it. [3:28pm] fridemar: We share the work on developing it. [3:28pm] MarkDilley: Why are we not co-owning the domain? <pre> [3:29pm] fridemar: I need to take at least 100$ to overcome the
[3:29pm].. which is widely distributed in online communities. [3:29pm] fridemar: Imagine I have to sell each day such a domain, to [3:29pm] fridemar: earn my normal income, other people earn be beeing employed. [3:30pm] fridemar: [3:30pm] fridemar: I am not employed. [3:30pm] • MarkDilley confused and don't have time to be confused right now :-s [3:30pm] MarkDilley: sorry [3:30pm] fridemar: [3:30pm] fridemar: I understand. [3:31pm] fridemar: "I" is only a dummy for all those free intelligences, .... [3:31pm] fridemar: Its not about me, its about us. [3:32pm] MarkDilley: I understand that [3:32pm] fridemar: We share ... think about it. [3:32pm] fridemar: The poor have no chance, if the rich say, I wont pay, [3:32pm] fridemar: lets share. [3:33pm] fridemar: Ted just wrote, there is not much time for staff [3:33pm] fridemar: people to collaborate on the development of domain-names. [3:34pm] fridemar: So in the end, "I" do 99 [3:34pm] fridemar: percent of the work, for 3US$ [3:34pm] MarkDilley: fridemar - I am just not following you and would [3:34pm] MarkDilley: like this on a wiki page [3:34pm] MarkDilley: too much energy for IRC - for me [3:34pm] fridemar: Yes please publish it ... [3:35pm] fridemar: You did this yesterday and I am very thankful to you.
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