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another experiment in {{g|SocialDomaining}} within the framework of the upcoming Wikinomics.
 
another experiment in {{g|SocialDomaining}} within the framework of the upcoming Wikinomics.
 
[[User:Fridemar|fridemar]] 13:41, 24 August 2009 (PDT)
 
[[User:Fridemar|fridemar]] 13:41, 24 August 2009 (PDT)
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==Additional Information==
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from an IRC-chat with [[Aboutus]] staff: ''(basically raw protocol, with emphasized formatting of the topical part, and making the references true links)''
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fridemar: I have another bug to report: The FalseEditLink
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[2:24pm] fridemar: Sometimes an already established page xyz
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[2:25pm] fridemar: that is referred by [[xyz]]
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[2:25pm] fridemar: is not shown in HTML mode. It is shown in edit mode.
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[2:25pm] TedErnst: I saw your note about that on WhoWeAre
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[2:26pm] TedErnst: when I went to WhoWeAre, the link was red, indicating that the page does not exist
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[2:26pm] TedErnst: when clicking on a redlink, the page is supposed to open in edit mode
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[2:26pm] TedErnst: so the issue is the red/blue link, methinks
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[2:27pm] fridemar: Why is that so?
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[2:27pm] fridemar: I can
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[2:27pm] fridemar: can't make a rhyme on this...
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[2:27pm] TedErnst: I think it has to do with database replication
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[2:28pm] TedErnst: one or more of the servers are confused about the status of a page (exist or not exist)
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[2:28pm] TedErnst: which means the link shows red
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[2:28pm] TedErnst: once the server figures it out (perhaps when you click)
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[2:28pm] TedErnst: then it's blue from then on, and we never see it again for that link
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[2:28pm] fridemar: I did that without success..
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[2:28pm] TedErnst: the link is blue now
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[2:29pm] fridemar: Ah good .. thank you
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[2:29pm] TedErnst: I didn't do anything except click on it
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[2:29pm] fridemar: What do you think about this Bold Wikiness?
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[2:29pm] TedErnst: bold wikiness?
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[2:30pm] You are now known as MarkDilley.
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[2:30pm] You were promoted to operator by ChanServ.
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<pre>
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[2:30pm] fridemar: Yes. I offer to RealName people kind of an incentive ..
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[2:31pm] fridemar: RealName pays
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[2:31pm] TedErnst: ah
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[2:31pm] fridemar: has a payout .... in savings versus offering this domain
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[2:31pm] fridemar: for xxxx US $
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[2:32pm] fridemar: Do you want to buy it and working on it later together?
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[2:32pm] fridemar: Anyone wants to buy it
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[2:33pm] fridemar: It is another example of ExtremeOpenBusiness ...
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</pre>
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{{g|ExtremeOpenBusiness}}
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<pre>
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[2:33pm] TedErnst: I love your energy, fridemar
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[2:33pm] fridemar: Is Ward listening .. you and Kent invented
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[2:33pm] fridemar: ExtremeProgramming
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</pre>
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{{g|ExtremeProgramming}}
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[2:34pm] MarkDilley: he is not at the moment
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[2:34pm] fridemar: I love all the wonderful people here ...
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[2:34pm] MarkDilley: feeling is mutual
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[2:34pm] fridemar: Mark good to see you ..
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<pre>
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[2:35pm] fridemar: ExtremeOpenBusiness is a generalization of the
 +
 +
[2:35pm] fridemar: principles of ExtremeProgramming
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[2:35pm] fridemar: Easyness, Full Feedback, Embracing Change, ...
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[2:35pm] fridemar: Always in test-mode
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[2:36pm] fridemar: Courage
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[2:36pm] fridemar: OpenSource is only a snapshot of a radical OpenProcess.
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</pre>
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[[Meatball:OpenProcess]]
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<pre>
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[2:37pm] fridemar: OpenBusiness is a diluted concept ...
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[2:37pm] fridemar: ExtremeOpenBusiness is a clearcut concept
 +
[2:37pm] fridemar: OpenBusiness has millions of Google entries...
 +
[2:37pm] fridemar: no chance for profiling
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[2:38pm] fridemar: ExtremeOpenBusiness has only the entries of the inventor
 +
[2:39pm] fridemar: Credit goes to the precursors OpenSource movement
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[2:39pm] fridemar: and Ward and Kent ... for ExtremeProgramming
 +
[2:40pm] fridemar: ExtremeOpenBusiness makes all processes, resources,
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[2:40pm] fridemar: transaction visible to the public.
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[2:40pm] fridemar: But even more ... it has a builtin
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[2:40pm] fridemar: OpenInvitationToParticipation.
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[2:40pm] MarkDilley: this is a great story fridemar - will it be
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[2:40pm] MarkDilley: somewhere else than irc
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[2:40pm] fridemar: transactions
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[2:41pm] fridemar: It is kind of an interactive TV reality show.
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[2:41pm] fridemar: On [[Meatball:ExtremeOpenBusiness]]
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</pre>
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[[Meatball:ExtremeOpenBusiness]]
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<pre>
 +
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[2:41pm] MarkDilley: great
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[2:41pm] fridemar: twinned with a AboutusOrg page.
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[2:42pm] fridemar: [[ExtremeOpenBusiness]]
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[2:42pm] fridemar: We make a bottom up approach .. first tests then
 +
[2:42pm] fridemar: the theory ...
 +
[2:43pm] fridemar: Just like in ExtremeProgramming
 +
[2:43pm] fridemar: We can always show some surprising results ...
 +
[2:44pm] fridemar: This accelerates the process, makes us more
 +
[2:44pm] fridemar: productive ...
 +
[2:44pm] fridemar: The goal is to build an infrastructure, that enables
 +
[2:44pm] fridemar: creative and constructive wikizens to make a living
 +
[2:44pm] fridemar: from wiki collaboration.
 +
[2:45pm] fridemar: Without that, wikis tend to degrade into
 +
[2:44pm] fridemar: [[Meatball: GhostTowns]] and SpamGardens.
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</pre>
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isolated [[Meatball:GhostTowns]]
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<pre>
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[2:46pm] fridemar: If there are enough fully engaged wikizens in a wiki,
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[2:46pm] fridemar: they will defend the wiki against parasitic
 +
[2:46pm] fridemar: "contributions", that destroy the work of peers.
 +
[2:48pm] fridemar: We can overcome the braindrain from wikis to
 +
[2:48pm] fridemar: "serious workplaces", where there is work in
 +
[2:48pm] fridemar: master-slave mode
 +
[2:48pm] fridemar: and a fixed salary.
 +
[2:55pm] fridemar: Of course more and more companies have a flatter
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[2:55pm] fridemar: hierarchy like Google and [[Aboutus]]
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[2:56pm] fridemar: But Aboutus.org is to me much more open than Google
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[2:56pm] fridemar: ....
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</pre>
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[2:57pm] fridemar: Nobody interested?
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[2:58pm] fridemar: Ted?
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[2:59pm] fridemar: coreyburke?
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[2:59pm] fridemar: ethand?
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[2:59pm] fridemar: Julia?
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[2:59pm] fridemar: Kristina?
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[2:59pm] TedErnst: sorry fridemar , I'm here
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[2:59pm] TedErnst: your energy is a bit difficult to keep up with
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[2:59pm] fridemar:
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[3:00pm] fridemar: Ted what do you think about
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[3:00pm] fridemar: CreateConnectCollaborate?
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{{g|CreateConnectCollaborate}}
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<pre>
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[3:00pm] KristinaWeis: Yes.
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[3:01pm] fridemar: Hey Kristina my first love on Aboutus ... you gave me
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[3:01pm] fridemar: the first gentle introduction
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[3:01pm] fridemar:
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[3:02pm] KristinaWeis: Haha, well thank you and you're welcome.
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[3:02pm] fridemar: Since then I became more and more active as a [3:02pm] fridemar: community member ....
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[3:02pm] KristinaWeis: I love that "my first love on AboutUs"
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[3:02pm] KristinaWeis:
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[3:03pm] fridemar: It's indeed the case .. you gave me the initial fuel ...
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[3:03pm] fridemar: So what do you think about CreateConnectCollaborate
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</pre>
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{{g|CreateConnectCollaborate}} ...
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<pre>
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[3:04pm] fridemar: we could elaborate this together and share the gain
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[3:04pm] fridemar: of this domain ...
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[3:04pm] fridemar: it could become another internal motor for the
 +
[3:04pm] fridemar: advancement of AboutUs
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[3:05pm] KristinaWeis: I like it...
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</pre>
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[3:05pm] KristinaWeis: Brb, phone.
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[3:05pm] fridemar: Yes
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<pre>
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[3:08pm] fridemar: Create=Create awareness of all the domains,
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[3:08pm] fridemar: represented in Aboutus
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[3:08pm] fridemar: Connect    them with synergetic Bilinks and user [3:08pm] fridemar: contributions
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[3:09pm] fridemar: Collaborate  with companies, organizations, active [3:09pm] fridemar: community users ...
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[3:09pm] TedErnst: fridemar: for me, the painful part of working for
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[3:09pm] TedErnst: AboutUs is the financial sustainability part
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[3:09pm] TedErnst: I'd love to be full-time working with you on this
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[3:09pm] TedErnst: kind of stuff
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[3:09pm] TedErnst: and it's simply not possible at this time
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[3:10pm] fridemar: Perhaps some time ....
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[3:12pm] TedErnst: it seems like you are in the stage for many of your
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[3:12pm] TedErnst: ideas where you need founding partners, people to
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[3:12pm] TedErnst: really get behind the idea
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</pre>
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[3:12pm] TedErnst: it's hard for me to see a place for someone with 10
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[3:12pm] TedErnst: minutes per day or 10 minutes per month - you know
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[3:12pm] TedErnst: what I mean?
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[3:13pm] fridemar: Yes , work overload ...
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[3:18pm] fridemar: I could imagine a employer model, where half of the
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[3:18pm] fridemar: time is paid and the other time is free use
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[3:19pm] fridemar: In the free use time the employees can /and should
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[3:19pm] fridemar: earn/ a multiple of their standard income to prove
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the concept.
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[3:20pm] fridemar: S/he can use all the resources of the company,
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[3:20pm] fridemar: similar like Google staff use all standard apps, they
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[3:20pm] fridemar: offer for customers.
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[3:21pm] fridemar: all their own (homemade)standards like Google: Docs,
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[3:21pm] fridemar: Calender, Spreadsheet, etc....
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<pre>
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[3:22pm] fridemar: I ll try to prove the concept as an active community member....
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</pre>
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[3:23pm] fridemar: Hi Kristina, are you still here ...
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[3:23pm] fridemar: Julia?
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[3:23pm] fridemar: Mattis=MattisManzel?
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[3:23pm] fridemar: Michi
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[3:23pm] fridemar: Obed
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[3:23pm] fridemar: Steven
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[3:24pm] fridemar: Ward?
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[3:24pm] michiSchoenitzer: what?
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[3:24pm] fridemar: Nobody interested?
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[3:24pm] fridemar: Hi michi
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[3:24pm] MarkDilley: fridemar
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[3:24pm] fridemar: Mark
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<pre>
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[3:25pm] MarkDilley: I hear you getting frustrated and I don't want
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[3:25pm] MarkDilley: that, but I also don't know how to get done what
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[3:25pm] MarkDilley: you want to get done.
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[3:25pm] fridemar: The offer for collaboration is CreateConnectCollaborate
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</pre>
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{{g|CreateConnectCollaborate}}
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<pre>[3:25pm] MarkDilley: [[CreateConnectCollaborate.com]]
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[3:25pm] fridemar: Yes
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[3:26pm] MarkDilley: you bought it when and are offering it for a
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[3:26pm] MarkDilley: collective of $100 ?
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[3:26pm] fridemar: I bought this premium domain today
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[3:27pm] fridemar: Yes this is the price, you honor my initial work (and
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[3:27pm] MarkDilley: the fee of 5.99$)
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[3:27pm] fridemar: Then you have it.
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[3:27pm] MarkDilley: why aren't we sharing it?
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[3:27pm] fridemar: And I continue to work on it.
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[3:28pm] fridemar: We share the work on developing it.
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[3:28pm] MarkDilley: Why are we not co-owning the domain?
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<pre>
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[3:29pm] fridemar: I need to take at least 100$ to overcome the
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</pre>
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{{g|StayPoor}} meme,
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<pre>
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[3:29pm].. which is widely distributed in online communities.
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[3:29pm] fridemar: Imagine I have to sell each day such a domain, to
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[3:29pm] fridemar: earn my normal income, other people earn be beeing employed.
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[3:30pm] fridemar:
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[3:30pm] fridemar: I am not employed.
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[3:30pm] • MarkDilley confused and don't have time to be confused right now :-s
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[3:30pm] MarkDilley: sorry
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[3:30pm] fridemar:
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[3:30pm] fridemar: I understand.
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[3:31pm] fridemar: "I" is only a dummy for all those free intelligences, ....
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[3:31pm] fridemar: Its not about me, its about us.
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[3:32pm] MarkDilley: I understand that
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[3:32pm] fridemar: We share ... think about it.
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[3:32pm] fridemar: The poor have no chance, if the rich say, I wont pay,
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[3:32pm] fridemar: lets share.
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[3:33pm] fridemar: Ted just wrote, there is not much time for staff
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[3:33pm] fridemar: people to collaborate on the development of
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domain-names.
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[3:34pm] fridemar: So in the end, "I" do 99
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[3:34pm] fridemar: percent of the work, for 3US$
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[3:34pm] MarkDilley: fridemar - I am just not following you and would
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[3:34pm] MarkDilley: like this on a wiki page
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[3:34pm] MarkDilley: too much energy for IRC - for me
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[3:34pm] fridemar: Yes please publish it ...
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[3:35pm] fridemar: You did this yesterday and I am very thankful to you.
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</pre>
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==Related Domains==
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<WikiPages>
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Information.com
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</WikiPages>
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== BiLinks ==
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<->
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* [[CreateConnectCollaborate]]
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==External Links==
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* '''Alexa''': [http://www.alexa.com/data/details/main?url=createconnectcollaborate.com CreateConnectCollaborate.com]
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* [http://whois.domaintools.com/createconnectcollaborate.com WHOIS for CreateConnectCollaborate.com]
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from an IRC-chat with Aboutus staff: (basically raw protocol, with emphasized formatting of the topical part, and making the references true links)

fridemar: I have another bug to report: The FalseEditLink [2:24pm] fridemar: Sometimes an already established page xyz [2:25pm] fridemar: that is referred by xyz [2:25pm] fridemar: is not shown in HTML mode. It is shown in edit mode. [2:25pm] TedErnst: I saw your note about that on WhoWeAre [2:26pm] TedErnst: when I went to WhoWeAre, the link was red, indicating that the page does not exist [2:26pm] TedErnst: when clicking on a redlink, the page is supposed to open in edit mode [2:26pm] TedErnst: so the issue is the red/blue link, methinks [2:27pm] fridemar: Why is that so? [2:27pm] fridemar: I can [2:27pm] fridemar: can't make a rhyme on this... [2:27pm] TedErnst: I think it has to do with database replication [2:28pm] TedErnst: one or more of the servers are confused about the status of a page (exist or not exist) [2:28pm] TedErnst: which means the link shows red [2:28pm] TedErnst: once the server figures it out (perhaps when you click) [2:28pm] TedErnst: then it's blue from then on, and we never see it again for that link [2:28pm] fridemar: I did that without success.. [2:28pm] TedErnst: the link is blue now [2:29pm] fridemar: Ah good .. thank you [2:29pm] TedErnst: I didn't do anything except click on it [2:29pm] fridemar: What do you think about this Bold Wikiness? [2:29pm] TedErnst: bold wikiness? [2:30pm] You are now known as MarkDilley. [2:30pm] You were promoted to operator by ChanServ. 

[2:30pm] fridemar: Yes. I offer to RealName people kind of an incentive ..
[2:31pm] fridemar: RealName pays
[2:31pm] TedErnst: ah
[2:31pm] fridemar: has a payout .... in savings versus offering this domain
[2:31pm] fridemar: for xxxx US $
[2:32pm] fridemar: Do you want to buy it and working on it later together?
[2:32pm] fridemar: Anyone wants to buy it
[2:33pm] fridemar: It is another example of ExtremeOpenBusiness ...

G ExtremeOpenBusiness 


[2:33pm] TedErnst: I love your energy, fridemar
[2:33pm] fridemar: Is Ward listening .. you and Kent invented
[2:33pm] fridemar: ExtremeProgramming

G ExtremeProgramming

[2:34pm] MarkDilley: he is not at the moment [2:34pm] fridemar: I love all the wonderful people here ... [2:34pm] MarkDilley: feeling is mutual [2:34pm] fridemar: Mark good to see you .. 

[2:35pm] fridemar: ExtremeOpenBusiness is a generalization of the

[2:35pm] fridemar: principles of ExtremeProgramming
[2:35pm] fridemar: Easyness, Full Feedback, Embracing Change, ...

[2:35pm] fridemar: Always in test-mode
[2:36pm] fridemar: Courage
[2:36pm] fridemar: OpenSource is only a snapshot of a radical OpenProcess.

Meatball:OpenProcess 

[2:37pm] fridemar: OpenBusiness is a diluted concept ...
[2:37pm] fridemar: ExtremeOpenBusiness is a clearcut concept
[2:37pm] fridemar: OpenBusiness has millions of Google entries...
[2:37pm] fridemar: no chance for profiling
[2:38pm] fridemar: ExtremeOpenBusiness has only the entries of the inventor
[2:39pm] fridemar: Credit goes to the precursors OpenSource movement
[2:39pm] fridemar: and Ward and Kent ... for ExtremeProgramming
[2:40pm] fridemar: ExtremeOpenBusiness makes all processes, resources,
[2:40pm] fridemar: transaction visible to the public.
[2:40pm] fridemar: But even more ... it has a builtin
[2:40pm] fridemar: OpenInvitationToParticipation.
[2:40pm] MarkDilley: this is a great story fridemar - will it be
[2:40pm] MarkDilley: somewhere else than irc
[2:40pm] fridemar: transactions
[2:41pm] fridemar: It is kind of an interactive TV reality show.
[2:41pm] fridemar: On [[Meatball:ExtremeOpenBusiness]]

Meatball:ExtremeOpenBusiness 


[2:41pm] MarkDilley: great
[2:41pm] fridemar: twinned with a AboutusOrg page.
[2:42pm] fridemar: [[ExtremeOpenBusiness]]
[2:42pm] fridemar: We make a bottom up approach .. first tests then
[2:42pm] fridemar: the theory ...
[2:43pm] fridemar: Just like in ExtremeProgramming
[2:43pm] fridemar: We can always show some surprising results ...
[2:44pm] fridemar: This accelerates the process, makes us more
[2:44pm] fridemar: productive ...
[2:44pm] fridemar: The goal is to build an infrastructure, that enables
[2:44pm] fridemar: creative and constructive wikizens to make a living
[2:44pm] fridemar: from wiki collaboration.
[2:45pm] fridemar: Without that, wikis tend to degrade into
[2:44pm] fridemar: [[Meatball: GhostTowns]] and SpamGardens.

isolated Meatball:GhostTowns 

[2:46pm] fridemar: If there are enough fully engaged wikizens in a wiki,
[2:46pm] fridemar: they will defend the wiki against parasitic
[2:46pm] fridemar: "contributions", that destroy the work of peers.
[2:48pm] fridemar: We can overcome the braindrain from wikis to
[2:48pm] fridemar: "serious workplaces", where there is work in
[2:48pm] fridemar: master-slave mode
[2:48pm] fridemar: and a fixed salary.
[2:55pm] fridemar: Of course more and more companies have a flatter
[2:55pm] fridemar: hierarchy like Google and [[Aboutus]]
[2:56pm] fridemar: But Aboutus.org is to me much more open than Google
[2:56pm] fridemar: ....

[2:57pm] fridemar: Nobody interested? [2:58pm] fridemar: Ted? [2:59pm] fridemar: coreyburke? [2:59pm] fridemar: ethand? [2:59pm] fridemar: Julia? [2:59pm] fridemar: Kristina? [2:59pm] TedErnst: sorry fridemar , I'm here [2:59pm] TedErnst: your energy is a bit difficult to keep up with [2:59pm] fridemar: [3:00pm] fridemar: Ted what do you think about [3:00pm] fridemar: CreateConnectCollaborate?

G CreateConnectCollaborate 

[3:00pm] KristinaWeis: Yes.
[3:01pm] fridemar: Hey Kristina my first love on Aboutus ... you gave me
[3:01pm] fridemar: the first gentle introduction
[3:01pm] fridemar:
[3:02pm] KristinaWeis: Haha, well thank you and you're welcome.
[3:02pm] fridemar: Since then I became more and more active as a [3:02pm] fridemar: community member ....
[3:02pm] KristinaWeis: I love that "my first love on AboutUs"
[3:02pm] KristinaWeis:
[3:03pm] fridemar: It's indeed the case .. you gave me the initial fuel ...
[3:03pm] fridemar: So what do you think about CreateConnectCollaborate

G CreateConnectCollaborate ... 

[3:04pm] fridemar: we could elaborate this together and share the gain
[3:04pm] fridemar: of this domain ...
[3:04pm] fridemar: it could become another internal motor for the
[3:04pm] fridemar: advancement of AboutUs
[3:05pm] KristinaWeis: I like it...

[3:05pm] KristinaWeis: Brb, phone. [3:05pm] fridemar: Yes 

[3:08pm] fridemar: Create=Create awareness of all the domains,
[3:08pm] fridemar: represented in Aboutus
[3:08pm] fridemar: Connect    them with synergetic Bilinks and user [3:08pm] fridemar: contributions
[3:09pm] fridemar: Collaborate  with companies, organizations, active [3:09pm] fridemar: community users ...
[3:09pm] TedErnst: fridemar: for me, the painful part of working for
[3:09pm] TedErnst: AboutUs is the financial sustainability part
[3:09pm] TedErnst: I'd love to be full-time working with you on this
[3:09pm] TedErnst: kind of stuff
[3:09pm] TedErnst: and it's simply not possible at this time
[3:10pm] fridemar: Perhaps some time ....
[3:12pm] TedErnst: it seems like you are in the stage for many of your
[3:12pm] TedErnst: ideas where you need founding partners, people to
[3:12pm] TedErnst: really get behind the idea

[3:12pm] TedErnst: it's hard for me to see a place for someone with 10 [3:12pm] TedErnst: minutes per day or 10 minutes per month - you know [3:12pm] TedErnst: what I mean? [3:13pm] fridemar: Yes , work overload ... [3:18pm] fridemar: I could imagine a employer model, where half of the [3:18pm] fridemar: time is paid and the other time is free use [3:19pm] fridemar: In the free use time the employees can /and should [3:19pm] fridemar: earn/ a multiple of their standard income to prove the concept. [3:20pm] fridemar: S/he can use all the resources of the company, [3:20pm] fridemar: similar like Google staff use all standard apps, they [3:20pm] fridemar: offer for customers. [3:21pm] fridemar: all their own (homemade)standards like Google: Docs, [3:21pm] fridemar: Calender, Spreadsheet, etc.... 

[3:22pm] fridemar: I ll try to prove the concept as an active community member....

[3:23pm] fridemar: Hi Kristina, are you still here ... [3:23pm] fridemar: Julia? [3:23pm] fridemar: Mattis=MattisManzel? [3:23pm] fridemar: Michi [3:23pm] fridemar: Obed [3:23pm] fridemar: Steven [3:24pm] fridemar: Ward? [3:24pm] michiSchoenitzer: what? [3:24pm] fridemar: Nobody interested? [3:24pm] fridemar: Hi michi [3:24pm] MarkDilley: fridemar [3:24pm] fridemar: Mark 

[3:25pm] MarkDilley: I hear you getting frustrated and I don't want
[3:25pm] MarkDilley: that, but I also don't know how to get done what
[3:25pm] MarkDilley: you want to get done.
[3:25pm] fridemar: The offer for collaboration is CreateConnectCollaborate

G CreateConnectCollaborate 

[3:25pm] MarkDilley: [[CreateConnectCollaborate.com]]
[3:25pm] fridemar: Yes
[3:26pm] MarkDilley: you bought it when and are offering it for a
[3:26pm] MarkDilley: collective of $100 ?
[3:26pm] fridemar: I bought this premium domain today
[3:27pm] fridemar: Yes this is the price, you honor my initial work (and
[3:27pm] MarkDilley: the fee of 5.99$)
[3:27pm] fridemar: Then you have it.
[3:27pm] MarkDilley: why aren't we sharing it?
[3:27pm] fridemar: And I continue to work on it.
[3:28pm] fridemar: We share the work on developing it.
[3:28pm] MarkDilley: Why are we not co-owning the domain?
<pre>
[3:29pm] fridemar: I need to take at least 100$ to overcome the

G StayPoor meme, 

[3:29pm].. which is widely distributed in online communities.
[3:29pm] fridemar: Imagine I have to sell each day such a domain, to
[3:29pm] fridemar: earn my normal income, other people earn be beeing employed.
[3:30pm] fridemar:
[3:30pm] fridemar: I am not employed.
[3:30pm] • MarkDilley confused and don't have time to be confused right now :-s
[3:30pm] MarkDilley: sorry
[3:30pm] fridemar:
[3:30pm] fridemar: I understand.
[3:31pm] fridemar: "I" is only a dummy for all those free intelligences, ....
[3:31pm] fridemar: Its not about me, its about us.
[3:32pm] MarkDilley: I understand that
[3:32pm] fridemar: We share ... think about it.
[3:32pm] fridemar: The poor have no chance, if the rich say, I wont pay,
[3:32pm] fridemar: lets share.
[3:33pm] fridemar: Ted just wrote, there is not much time for staff
[3:33pm] fridemar: people to collaborate on the development of
domain-names.
[3:34pm] fridemar: So in the end, "I" do 99
[3:34pm] fridemar: percent of the work, for 3US$
[3:34pm] MarkDilley: fridemar - I am just not following you and would
[3:34pm] MarkDilley: like this on a wiki page
[3:34pm] MarkDilley: too much energy for IRC - for me
[3:34pm] fridemar: Yes please publish it ...
[3:35pm] fridemar: You did this yesterday and I am very thankful to you.

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from an IRC-chat with Aboutus staff: (basically raw protocol, with emphasized formatting of the topical part, and making the references true links)

fridemar: I have another bug to report: The FalseEditLink [2:24pm] fridemar: Sometimes an already established page xyz [2:25pm] fridemar: that is referred by xyz [2:25pm] fridemar: is not shown in HTML mode. It is shown in edit mode. [2:25pm] TedErnst: I saw your note about that on WhoWeAre [2:26pm] TedErnst: when I went to WhoWeAre, the link was red, indicating that the page does not exist [2:26pm] TedErnst: when clicking on a redlink, the page is supposed to open in edit mode [2:26pm] TedErnst: so the issue is the red/blue link, methinks [2:27pm] fridemar: Why is that so? [2:27pm] fridemar: I can [2:27pm] fridemar: can't make a rhyme on this... [2:27pm] TedErnst: I think it has to do with database replication [2:28pm] TedErnst: one or more of the servers are confused about the status of a page (exist or not exist) [2:28pm] TedErnst: which means the link shows red [2:28pm] TedErnst: once the server figures it out (perhaps when you click) [2:28pm] TedErnst: then it's blue from then on, and we never see it again for that link [2:28pm] fridemar: I did that without success.. [2:28pm] TedErnst: the link is blue now [2:29pm] fridemar: Ah good .. thank you [2:29pm] TedErnst: I didn't do anything except click on it [2:29pm] fridemar: What do you think about this Bold Wikiness? [2:29pm] TedErnst: bold wikiness? [2:30pm] You are now known as MarkDilley. [2:30pm] You were promoted to operator by ChanServ. 

[2:30pm] fridemar: Yes. I offer to RealName people kind of an incentive ..
[2:31pm] fridemar: RealName pays
[2:31pm] TedErnst: ah
[2:31pm] fridemar: has a payout .... in savings versus offering this domain
[2:31pm] fridemar: for xxxx US $
[2:32pm] fridemar: Do you want to buy it and working on it later together?
[2:32pm] fridemar: Anyone wants to buy it
[2:33pm] fridemar: It is another example of ExtremeOpenBusiness ...

G ExtremeOpenBusiness 


[2:33pm] TedErnst: I love your energy, fridemar
[2:33pm] fridemar: Is Ward listening .. you and Kent invented
[2:33pm] fridemar: ExtremeProgramming

G ExtremeProgramming

[2:34pm] MarkDilley: he is not at the moment [2:34pm] fridemar: I love all the wonderful people here ... [2:34pm] MarkDilley: feeling is mutual [2:34pm] fridemar: Mark good to see you .. 

[2:35pm] fridemar: ExtremeOpenBusiness is a generalization of the

[2:35pm] fridemar: principles of ExtremeProgramming
[2:35pm] fridemar: Easyness, Full Feedback, Embracing Change, ...

[2:35pm] fridemar: Always in test-mode
[2:36pm] fridemar: Courage
[2:36pm] fridemar: OpenSource is only a snapshot of a radical OpenProcess.

Meatball:OpenProcess 

[2:37pm] fridemar: OpenBusiness is a diluted concept ...
[2:37pm] fridemar: ExtremeOpenBusiness is a clearcut concept
[2:37pm] fridemar: OpenBusiness has millions of Google entries...
[2:37pm] fridemar: no chance for profiling
[2:38pm] fridemar: ExtremeOpenBusiness has only the entries of the inventor
[2:39pm] fridemar: Credit goes to the precursors OpenSource movement
[2:39pm] fridemar: and Ward and Kent ... for ExtremeProgramming
[2:40pm] fridemar: ExtremeOpenBusiness makes all processes, resources,
[2:40pm] fridemar: transaction visible to the public.
[2:40pm] fridemar: But even more ... it has a builtin
[2:40pm] fridemar: OpenInvitationToParticipation.
[2:40pm] MarkDilley: this is a great story fridemar - will it be
[2:40pm] MarkDilley: somewhere else than irc
[2:40pm] fridemar: transactions
[2:41pm] fridemar: It is kind of an interactive TV reality show.
[2:41pm] fridemar: On [[Meatball:ExtremeOpenBusiness]]

Meatball:ExtremeOpenBusiness 


[2:41pm] MarkDilley: great
[2:41pm] fridemar: twinned with a AboutusOrg page.
[2:42pm] fridemar: [[ExtremeOpenBusiness]]
[2:42pm] fridemar: We make a bottom up approach .. first tests then
[2:42pm] fridemar: the theory ...
[2:43pm] fridemar: Just like in ExtremeProgramming
[2:43pm] fridemar: We can always show some surprising results ...
[2:44pm] fridemar: This accelerates the process, makes us more
[2:44pm] fridemar: productive ...
[2:44pm] fridemar: The goal is to build an infrastructure, that enables
[2:44pm] fridemar: creative and constructive wikizens to make a living
[2:44pm] fridemar: from wiki collaboration.
[2:45pm] fridemar: Without that, wikis tend to degrade into
[2:44pm] fridemar: [[Meatball: GhostTowns]] and SpamGardens.

isolated Meatball:GhostTowns 

[2:46pm] fridemar: If there are enough fully engaged wikizens in a wiki,
[2:46pm] fridemar: they will defend the wiki against parasitic
[2:46pm] fridemar: "contributions", that destroy the work of peers.
[2:48pm] fridemar: We can overcome the braindrain from wikis to
[2:48pm] fridemar: "serious workplaces", where there is work in
[2:48pm] fridemar: master-slave mode
[2:48pm] fridemar: and a fixed salary.
[2:55pm] fridemar: Of course more and more companies have a flatter
[2:55pm] fridemar: hierarchy like Google and [[Aboutus]]
[2:56pm] fridemar: But Aboutus.org is to me much more open than Google
[2:56pm] fridemar: ....

[2:57pm] fridemar: Nobody interested? [2:58pm] fridemar: Ted? [2:59pm] fridemar: coreyburke? [2:59pm] fridemar: ethand? [2:59pm] fridemar: Julia? [2:59pm] fridemar: Kristina? [2:59pm] TedErnst: sorry fridemar , I'm here [2:59pm] TedErnst: your energy is a bit difficult to keep up with [2:59pm] fridemar: [3:00pm] fridemar: Ted what do you think about [3:00pm] fridemar: CreateConnectCollaborate?

G CreateConnectCollaborate 

[3:00pm] KristinaWeis: Yes.
[3:01pm] fridemar: Hey Kristina my first love on Aboutus ... you gave me
[3:01pm] fridemar: the first gentle introduction
[3:01pm] fridemar:
[3:02pm] KristinaWeis: Haha, well thank you and you're welcome.
[3:02pm] fridemar: Since then I became more and more active as a [3:02pm] fridemar: community member ....
[3:02pm] KristinaWeis: I love that "my first love on AboutUs"
[3:02pm] KristinaWeis:
[3:03pm] fridemar: It's indeed the case .. you gave me the initial fuel ...
[3:03pm] fridemar: So what do you think about CreateConnectCollaborate

G CreateConnectCollaborate ... 

[3:04pm] fridemar: we could elaborate this together and share the gain
[3:04pm] fridemar: of this domain ...
[3:04pm] fridemar: it could become another internal motor for the
[3:04pm] fridemar: advancement of AboutUs
[3:05pm] KristinaWeis: I like it...

[3:05pm] KristinaWeis: Brb, phone. [3:05pm] fridemar: Yes 

[3:08pm] fridemar: Create=Create awareness of all the domains,
[3:08pm] fridemar: represented in Aboutus
[3:08pm] fridemar: Connect    them with synergetic Bilinks and user [3:08pm] fridemar: contributions
[3:09pm] fridemar: Collaborate  with companies, organizations, active [3:09pm] fridemar: community users ...
[3:09pm] TedErnst: fridemar: for me, the painful part of working for
[3:09pm] TedErnst: AboutUs is the financial sustainability part
[3:09pm] TedErnst: I'd love to be full-time working with you on this
[3:09pm] TedErnst: kind of stuff
[3:09pm] TedErnst: and it's simply not possible at this time
[3:10pm] fridemar: Perhaps some time ....
[3:12pm] TedErnst: it seems like you are in the stage for many of your
[3:12pm] TedErnst: ideas where you need founding partners, people to
[3:12pm] TedErnst: really get behind the idea

[3:12pm] TedErnst: it's hard for me to see a place for someone with 10 [3:12pm] TedErnst: minutes per day or 10 minutes per month - you know [3:12pm] TedErnst: what I mean? [3:13pm] fridemar: Yes , work overload ... [3:18pm] fridemar: I could imagine a employer model, where half of the [3:18pm] fridemar: time is paid and the other time is free use [3:19pm] fridemar: In the free use time the employees can /and should [3:19pm] fridemar: earn/ a multiple of their standard income to prove the concept. [3:20pm] fridemar: S/he can use all the resources of the company, [3:20pm] fridemar: similar like Google staff use all standard apps, they [3:20pm] fridemar: offer for customers. [3:21pm] fridemar: all their own (homemade)standards like Google: Docs, [3:21pm] fridemar: Calender, Spreadsheet, etc.... 

[3:22pm] fridemar: I ll try to prove the concept as an active community member....

[3:23pm] fridemar: Hi Kristina, are you still here ... [3:23pm] fridemar: Julia? [3:23pm] fridemar: Mattis=MattisManzel? [3:23pm] fridemar: Michi [3:23pm] fridemar: Obed [3:23pm] fridemar: Steven [3:24pm] fridemar: Ward? [3:24pm] michiSchoenitzer: what? [3:24pm] fridemar: Nobody interested? [3:24pm] fridemar: Hi michi [3:24pm] MarkDilley: fridemar [3:24pm] fridemar: Mark 

[3:25pm] MarkDilley: I hear you getting frustrated and I don't want
[3:25pm] MarkDilley: that, but I also don't know how to get done what
[3:25pm] MarkDilley: you want to get done.
[3:25pm] fridemar: The offer for collaboration is CreateConnectCollaborate

G CreateConnectCollaborate 

[3:25pm] MarkDilley: [[CreateConnectCollaborate.com]]
[3:25pm] fridemar: Yes
[3:26pm] MarkDilley: you bought it when and are offering it for a
[3:26pm] MarkDilley: collective of $100 ?
[3:26pm] fridemar: I bought this premium domain today
[3:27pm] fridemar: Yes this is the price, you honor my initial work (and
[3:27pm] MarkDilley: the fee of 5.99$)
[3:27pm] fridemar: Then you have it.
[3:27pm] MarkDilley: why aren't we sharing it?
[3:27pm] fridemar: And I continue to work on it.
[3:28pm] fridemar: We share the work on developing it.
[3:28pm] MarkDilley: Why are we not co-owning the domain?
<pre>
[3:29pm] fridemar: I need to take at least 100$ to overcome the

G StayPoor meme, 

[3:29pm].. which is widely distributed in online communities.
[3:29pm] fridemar: Imagine I have to sell each day such a domain, to
[3:29pm] fridemar: earn my normal income, other people earn be beeing employed.
[3:30pm] fridemar:
[3:30pm] fridemar: I am not employed.
[3:30pm] • MarkDilley confused and don't have time to be confused right now :-s
[3:30pm] MarkDilley: sorry
[3:30pm] fridemar:
[3:30pm] fridemar: I understand.
[3:31pm] fridemar: "I" is only a dummy for all those free intelligences, ....
[3:31pm] fridemar: Its not about me, its about us.
[3:32pm] MarkDilley: I understand that
[3:32pm] fridemar: We share ... think about it.
[3:32pm] fridemar: The poor have no chance, if the rich say, I wont pay,
[3:32pm] fridemar: lets share.
[3:33pm] fridemar: Ted just wrote, there is not much time for staff
[3:33pm] fridemar: people to collaborate on the development of
domain-names.
[3:34pm] fridemar: So in the end, "I" do 99
[3:34pm] fridemar: percent of the work, for 3US$
[3:34pm] MarkDilley: fridemar - I am just not following you and would
[3:34pm] MarkDilley: like this on a wiki page
[3:34pm] MarkDilley: too much energy for IRC - for me
[3:34pm] fridemar: Yes please publish it ...
[3:35pm] fridemar: You did this yesterday and I am very thankful to you.

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